Go trash all the religions especially islam and the messengers with your potty mouth if that is how you calm your shallow forever haunted destructive soul but no need to quote me to do that. I like reading & listening to intelligent views of super intelligent humans. You are nowhere close to those kinds. Learning all the popular repetitive hate speeches from different online forums dedicated to brain washing people and typing those hate speeches on your target forum does not make you come across as intelligent, original or cool but exposes your ridiculously limited brain function where you cant even try modifying those learned hate speeches to appear original & not copied. Your hate speech has no originality of its own to attract an audience. I prefer to skip your extremely boring posts so dont quote me again to make me read your copied material. Thanks.
The mention of sex slaves was to draw attention to the fact that same as Muslims chose to abandon that practice even though it was permitted they can chose to abandon Polygamy. Society does have the right to mandate human rights. Most civilised countries have laws against discrimination based on sex, allowing men to to have multiple wives and not extending the same rights to women would be discrimination. Mostly women agree to the terms of a second wife under extreme oppression and duress. Many are financially dependent and a man can boot the older one out without any financial settlement and divorce is a stigma for her so the practice is highly abused. We as a society tell people what is wrong all the time, we tell them they cant marry children, they cant purchase sex etc.
Back to OP’s question. Best known case study to me is from a long time ago. I had two neighbours for nearly 20 years while growing up. One of them had his second wife in the same house’s separate portion and the other had his second wife in another city to which her husband travelled a lot due to work. They had fights and issues just like other families. We used to play with some of those kids all the time. Those women had similar neighbourly relations as every other woman in the neighbourhood.About 10 years ago one first wife passed away due to her long battle with Cancer. She was afforded adequate healthcare through her husband’s health insurance all along.
On the other hand, we had a wealthy neighbour with a typical family. He used to go to prostitutes. His wife tried to stop him a lot first but eventually gave up. He got into so many bad habits due to going to prostitutes, such as drinking and gambling, which eventually caused their house to be sold. He wouldn’t come home for weeks at a time. They became destitute with no roof over their heads. His wife was a really good person and single-handedly raised the kids and mashallah they did just fine but it was a hell of a job for her.
The point I’m trying to make is, there are circumstances when wives will have no choice but to share her husband no matter how much she hates it. A proper, legal second marriage is a far better way to achieve that.
Yet you answer. Your answer being almost three times the size of my post, most of it being personal insults directed towards me and none of it refuting what I said. That’s all I’ll say since you clearly won’t answer any questions anyone might have about your religion.
“Most wouldn’t do a DNA test” is an opinion rather than a fact, and even if that was the case it could be made mandatory as other rules and regulations governing marriage are..
I was thinking this
Not sure what is meant by the bit written in bold above in the first post quoted.. seems completely made up to be honest..
I have no problem with men having more than wife, provided everyone is happy and satisfied with the arrangement..
It’s called google guys…it’s right at your finger tips…to be specific for you…they are called SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED INFECTIONS…such as HPV and UTI. Google.com is your friend.
STI’s are caused by having sex with a partner who has the virus. The chances of getting an STI should almost be the same whether it’s one man and multiple women or vice versa. The chances should be pretty low as long as all the partners are clean before entering the union and all stay faithful to the marriage (no sex outside the marriage).
I’ll concede on the UTI front because women are at a higher risk to begin with and multiple partner & more frequent intercourse are among known risk factors.
That said, I think everyone should be free to make such decisions for themselves. Who are we to judge as long as everyone in the marriage is happy with the arrangement?
I don’t agree for my family personally. But, if it floats their boat and it works more power to them.
I don’t understand how no one can think in terms of if this is my daughter…what do I want for her? Put the question that way and consider do you want your daughter sleeping with several men…married or not.
Yes, I believe traditional “old way” of thinking…marriage is respectable between one man and one woman…unless that family wants another wife.
But, having a wife and a mistress is disrespect to the marriage. And the mistress is a whore.
Yup…I’m “old fashioned” “traditional” whatever.
A woman with more than one man is just silly. But…as they say here in the states…it’s your circus and your monkeys run it how you want to.
I can educate my kids on what I believe to be right for them. I can educate them about healthy relationships, safe sex and birth control. However, at some point in time they’ll start making their own decisions. My son deciding to marry more than one woman would be his choice and I’d have to respect it. Again, my daughter deciding to do so would be hers and I’d have to respect that as well. Of course, the assumption being everyone in the marriage agrees to the arrangement.
I don’t think polyandry it’s any sillier than a man marrying multiple woman. Moreover, following the traditional model man earns woman runs the house, it could be argued that a woman marrying multiple men could be beneficial for the kids in the marriage. Having two husbands means having two sources of income instead of one. The same can’t be said for a husband having multiple wives. His income get split among all his wives. Also, having multiple wives means more kids in the family which translates to further division of resources.
Of course, not every model is suited for every society. In a society where number of men and women is equal monogamy would be ideal and instances of polygyny would have to be balanced with polyandry. In society where there are more women than men polyandry would exacerbate the problem and in a society where men outnumber women (China being an example) polygyny would make things worse.
Aw… Im sorry to make you feel this way. Trust me all that I said about your posts was in honesty. If it makes you bitter, maybe time to change the way you drag people into trashy conversation with you which are nothing more than insults on religions and messengers. Atleast that is what your posts have been about to me. A part of growing up is to to accept and improve when informed about bad qualities instead of engaging in insult-game & attacking others, their religions, their messengers, the religion history most of which is also learned from trashy places. Not sure if you can find more partners to engage in that insult-game here on this forum but you will find plenty in the forums whose material you borrow to copy here.
Secondly, I responded so that if there was any doubt, be sure that I really find your posts too boring due to unoriginality & too trashy due to focus being on insults learned from other haters than engaging in a meaningful argument.
Once again, what I said was the truth about how I find your posts to be. Someone must tell you the truth so why not me since you quoted me?
What do you want to be refuted for? Insults on religion/messenger? Our birds have better IQ & EQ that catch attention from all of us and the visitors for originality in their behavior. Parrots are known to have intelligence of a 3 years old human baby. You need to find someone with an IQ/EQ below that as you failed to capture the interest the last time you dragged me into your grabage talk by pretending that you honestly want to learn about Islam & you failed to catch it this time. I can see clearly that is not true. If you want to learn you should open quran and read. You will find all your answers. That is how all the people who are blessed by God’s will to allow them to learn do. Attacking, negative gossiping, clapping when someone attacks a religion exposes your claim to want to learn. So many people have learned about Islam on their own. Why are you expecting me to teach you is because your intention is not to learn but to provoke, insult, cause drama, throw tantrums about how bad islam is and muslims not engaging in insult throwing contest with you means they cannot refute your insults hence your obnoxious behavior is justified and sympathy deserving.
Giving you benefit of the doubt that your intention is really to ‘learn’ about Islam, here is a tip for you. Open quran and read, think, ponder, analyze, compare, think more, analyze more. One verse may take you months or more to get the wisdom in which it is revealed. This I say for a person of average IQ. For you, I cannot say as I dont know you personally. Maybe your parents can tell you or find that out yourself. With the blessing of God, if you are honest in your desire to learn, you will. But attacking any religion and followers of any religion on online discussion forums because you have too much free time to kill will not bring you any knowledge. And if my assessment about you is correct that due to hate & negativity in your heart, your frustration & anger about everything in life have made you so blind to receive anything positive. Such people reject all forms of faith assuming that outlook will bring them peace and knowledge. But they are stripped off any peace they had initially. It hapoens due to their own disloyalty to themselves & fickle ways. In that case, I or no human or living and nonliving thing can help you.
Im done saying what I had to. You should look for a new partner to play the insult game with you.
This is the 2nd post on this topic and 3rd or 4th on the forum where you’ve said you’re done with me while writing a wall of text.
There were several questions I asked myself before I finally decided Islam wasn’t for me:
**1) What if I hadn’t been born a muslim? Would I convert to it? **This led to the second question.
**2) Can it be proven that there is a god and that Islam is this god’s final religion? **The answer was no and still is no.
**3) If there is a god, would he\she punish me for not believing in his\her existence when I wasn’t provided with sufficient evidence? **This led to the next question.
**4) Assuming god exists, is this a reasonable god? **A reasonable god will understand my reasons for not believing and not punish me for it. However, an unreasonable god would not care for there being no evidence. But then, an unreasonable god cannot be expected to honor his\her promises for heaven or hell.
Assuming god exists, me believing in him\her should have no bearing on me going to heaven or hell (if these places are real).
**5) Which religion is from god? **There are 1000s of religions. A believer rejects all of them but one. I reject them all. Assuming there is a god, heaven and hell; a believer’s chances of making it into heaven are only marginally better than mine. It could be said that 0.1% chance is still better than a 0% chance of success, but how do I pick.
The purpose of writing these questions was to show that I have indeed spent time thinking about the concept of god and the question of his\her existence.
PS1: Where did I get my knowledge of Islam? Islamic Studies curriculum in Pakistan. Islamic websites like islamqa.com. I’ve read the quran and it’s just a book. The evidence of divinity doesn’t reveal itself when I read it.
PS2: Regardless of whether my IQ is low, average or high, you believe allah gave me my IQ so according to your core beliefs I can’t really be blamed or praised for it. You have a problem with my IQ take it up with your god.
Not following the thread as such but to answer your question only, the relationship with the first wife is a better indication of what the real situation is, second wife probably wont always be the reason for problems in the first marriage so I don’t think calling her a home wrecker makes any sense.
Also, why should a man abandon his kids from first marriage anyway even if he was to divorce the first wife?
Why would I have a problem with your iq? Who the hell are you anyway? I dont even know you, dont need your iq to fix any issue in my life. The only thing I have a problem with is you continuing to quote me to ask basic questions about your birth religion which your parents should’ve taught you. You are the one who continues to quote my replies to other posters when Im not even addressing you. Officially a third crazy who sits here 24/7 to chase and attack people for no reason.
I would have no interest in your religion if you weren’t so such self-righteous. You cannot just present an idea and expect people to not evaluate\criticize it.
I’m not attacking anyone. My responses have been nothing but respectful. The same can’t be said for you, calling me crazy this time around.
All the talk about your iq was because you chasing me like plague to explain you basics of your birth religion. Are you really not an adult? am i Your parent? Your montessori teacher?
Oh boy! Now I am the one who invented and presented the idea of god’s existence. Before me nobody else believed in or knew about that idea. Not the people who invented and presented you to this world, not anyone else you knew before discovering ‘the idea’ from me.
Sure it is me talking in demeaning fashion about my own birth religion and insulting other peoples’ religions/messengers with nonstop hateful posts. You did nothing of that sort. Anyone keeping track of your posts and mine knows who’s insulting who. Offcourse it’s become fashionable to openly call islam to be a fake religion and the prophet to be a fake prophet. You follow the trend to appear cool and am sure you got many supporters. So enjoy doing what you do. Just stop quoting my posts to keep me updated about your latest hateful posts on islam. Thanks much.
I haven’t read ANYONES profile I don’t have time for all that…I’m good to get on here as I can when I can…and that’s usually finding the messages via email…
