Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism

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are you an indian muslim? just curious

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:slight_smile:

Why the curiosity? :hmmm:

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just a guess…:wink:

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I like the guessing game. ;)

Please stay on topic, O/W the posts will be deleted. :D

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when i lived in dammam a long time I met one (or maybe 2 :hmmm: ) persons at work who were actually normal - sort of.

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Right - sort of.

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this has turned into a thread on discussing what is the least painfree method of execution. that is not the topic.

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A visa or a life | Blog | DAWN.COM

Executions in Riyadh are usually carried out at 9:00 a.m. in the morning with a shining steel sword hovering over the white shrouded figure about to receive it. Rizana Nafeek’s execution is reported to have taken place a little later than usual, at 11:40 a.m. Saudi time. Perhaps there were other punishments to be carried out first, perhaps the executioner who always takes his position to the left of the condemned, right leg forward and left leg back, was delayed in some way. Perhaps there was not enough of a crowd, or too much of one. The dusty details of the mid-morning of January 9, 2013 when Rizana Nafeek’s thin, dark neck met the executioner’s sword are never likely to be known.

Rizana Nafeek was a poor Muslim girl from a small village in Eastern Sri Lanka. Like hundreds of thousands of sweaty, hungry others eager for a visa and a job with a rich family in Saudi Arabia, she came to work in the country so she could change with dirhams the cycle of poverty that enslaved her family. The visa-clutching, future-fearing Pakistani men at Riyadh or Jeddah Airport could tell you the same story; of middle men paid and houses put up for collateral, of sisters dowries and parents operations Rizana Nafeek, like so many of the men and women who come to Saudi Arabia to do the jobs Saudis will not do, came ready to do anything to get and then keep her visa. To fit the age requirements she lied on her passport, growing in the minutes it took to fill the form, six years older than she was. Blessed with a Saudi work visa, Rizana Nafeek, the village girl became Rizana Nafeek, the Saudi maid in the household of Naif Jiziyan Khalaf Al Qutaibi, spending her days, cooking, cleaning and caring for the family’s children

Based on the murky facts only those who have lied to live would understand, Rizana Nafeek was just 17 on that fated afternoon of May 22, 2005 when catastrophe struck. It was 12:30 p.m. and she was bottle feeding the baby boy in her care while the mother of the child was away. Suddenly she noticed milk oozing from the mouth and nose of the infant. A terrified Rizana tried to soothe the baby stroking its back and throat and neck but within minutes the infant’s eyes closed. Later doctor’s reports would say that the infant had probably already passed away from a possible internal blockage in the stomach when Rizana noticed the streaming milk.

The infant’s life would not be the only one lost. At around 1:30 p.m. when Rizana’s employer, returned she began beating Rizana with shoes and slippers accusing the teenage maid of having killed the baby and bloodying her during the beating. For three days, Rizana endured the harangues of her distraught employers and on May 25, 2005 she was arrested for having murdered the baby. At the police station in Dawadmi, she was beaten with a belt so that she would confess to having killed the baby. After several hours of being struck, she confessed to the killing. She was not allowed to see any attorneys or anyone from the Sri Lankan Consulate until she confessed. The confession was in Tamil and the man who recorded it barely knew the language and so wrote it down in Arabic. No postmortem was carried out on the deceased child to determine the cause of death.

In the years of captivity following her arrest, and the near immediate death sentence that was imposed on her, Rizana Nafeek would state again and again that her confession had been obtained under the impact of a severe beating, but the cries of a hapless maid and a motley of human rights groups were not enough to change the mind of the Saudi officials and, as is the case with all condemned to execution, the maid was enshrouded, led outside into the sun and killed with a single swipe of the executioner’s sword.

On January 16 2013, just a week after Rizana’s neck met the sword, Pakistani Arshad Mohammad was also beheaded by Saudi authorities in the Eastern province of Khubar. He had been convicted for smuggling drugs but as with Rizana Nafik’s case few details are available regarding the evidence or the conviction. Like Sri Lanka, Pakistan exports labor to Saudi Arabia and in our job hungry, utilitarian calculus that prioritises visas over justice, Pakistan almost never raises the thorny issue of the injustices poured on its hordes of iqama clutching migrant workers. The logic is simple, a worker with a visa is worth more than one with a gripe, and a few murdered maids or menservants are a small price to pay for solid Saudi jobs. Everyone else seems to agree and because of this, not much can be expected for the three Pakistanis currently awaiting execution in Saudi Arabia or the hundreds of others frightened and forgotten inside Saudi prisons. In the hardscrabble calculations of labor export, the worth of a Saudi visa is more than that of a migrant worker life.

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Thge saudi justice system is a joke. I attended a case of a close friend who was in jail there while I was working in Saudi, the courts, the judges, the justice system is a joke. One thing is simple, if a case is you against a Saudi one thing is enshrined in their so called justice system - The Saudi is always innocent. The amount of sheer murders they have carried out of innocent people in the name of justice is unbelieveable. The last thing they practice is Sharia or Islamic system. Their justice sytstem or lack of it is indefensible.

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It doesn't seem that the justice has been done in this case, as the accused should have been provided a chance to freely defend herself. Shariah that the Saudis claim to be following is one sided, otherwise we should see more instances of punishments being meted to the locals.

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Saudi's logic is once again flawed. Having first hand experience of dealing with saudis and their government; that is a one messed up society! They always make hasty decisions on every controversial topics to appease the tribal crowd amongst the population (the one that is still living in previous century)

voices of majority of the saudis who are looking for reforms (even in the royal family) are always suppressed by the tribal culture they have. Most of their population wants reforms in strict beheading laws like these but they are helpless.

Sad for the girl. Maybe she was wrong, maybe she was right. We will never know now.

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same problem again....can we apply islamic jurisprudence to today's society?

to start with, we have multi-sect Islamic societies so we dont even know which jurisprudence to apply..hanfi, malki, jafri, shafi, wahabi or tahir ul qadri!

second whatever we have on the name of whatever jurisprudence is at least 700 years old as we stopped doing ijtihad after imam ghazali....

we muslims especially Pakistanis passionately want to implement islamic sharia but when you ask them how will you run/conduct jurisprudence, courts, bureaucracy, financial system, government, elections...they simply have no answer especially considering we have a multi-sect Muslim society..idiots!

The only solution...restrict religion to your daily lives and let your state be completely secular....

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in answer to your question.

when an islamic state is established the caliph who is leader of the state if he is hanafi for example the hanafi opinion will be implemented accross the board on issues related to jugdgements.

if the caliph after him happens to be shafi same applies etc.

Mullahs on tv shouting the loudest don't have clue about economics models or implementing research and development projects you can dismiss these cartoon characters because the muslim world is blessed with many people who do know economics, science and have a vision to take the state to the top.

Ijtihad is already being applied to many modern questions such as cloning, genetics etc by scholars today it is not difficult to open up ijtihad again but you need a state level backing to do this to have effect on global level.

Secularism is biggest disaster in my view to give pakistan another 50 years of this poison is suicide having been given idiots like zardaris, nawaz sharif of this world from this democracy you want more secularism no thanks.

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excuse me…are you serious? do you have any idea what you are saying…do u think really think it is practical? :confused:

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and that is why every muslim on this planet is dying to come to these secular countries ...just imagine if USA was a complete christian country with christian doctrine, christian courts, Christian government charging "jazya" to non Christians, beheading people based on "christian sharia", treating people based on religious affiliation, i doubt many Muslims or jews would be so eager to come to this country and USA wud have never become super power USA.....it is so ironic that these muslims want to enjoy all the benefits of secularism but want to implement sharia in their own countries...hypocrites....

also lets get to the point... we shd have courage to accept one basic principle of life....if followers of a certain religion are struggling on every social, moral and economic indicator, then that religion cannot be one of the best in its present state...but i know you dont have courage to even think about it....

stop hiding behind a weak and baseless logic that "islam is the best but it has worst followers"... because when you say that, you dont do any service to islam...just think how stupid that logic is... if you buy a brand new BMW which keeps on breaking every month and every-time you go back to BMW, they tell you that our car is the best but you are a dumb driver, what would be your reaction? i hope you get the point...

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In its current state, islam cannot help us with anything except praying and fasting....lets be honest..can you elect a government based on islam in a multi-sec country?...ANSWER IS NO....there is no model which will work in today's multi-sect muslim world.......that is why we have either dictatorships or kingdoms in muslim world....

islam cannot help with constitutional jurisprudence ..

islam cannot help with today's financial system either.....for 50 years Muslims tried and came up with a most stupid system of Islamic banking which is even worst than western system..and we know that very well...go buy a home on that system lol.....you will 30% more than western system....

and it is not reflection of Islam as a weak religion by any means...which religion has answers to all of these questions...NONE...

so what is so wrong in thinking that maybe religion is to improve your personal lives spiritually....it does not need to be applied at societal level...

this is very important to realize because we Muslims keep living in baseless dreams without realizing that we have no system that will help running a country on Islamic principles....IT NEVER HAPPENED IN OUR 1400 YEARS of HISTORY....muslims rulers were families, kingdoms..not Muslim establishments based on islamic jurisprudence...

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The surprising priorities of Egypt’s public

there you go…same story of muslim countries

for majority of Egyptians :

equal rights for men and women…
freedom for religious minorities…
uncensored access to internet…

are not very important…why am i not surprised!

and I am not surprised either that most want a democracy that is heavily influenced by the country’s religious tradition…Six-in-ten say the nation’s laws should strictly follow the teachings of the Quran…

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There was a thread not too long ago re: secular vs. Religious govt. The issue is settled. No two sides for every topic - sometimes only one side is rational.

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The fact remains... no one knows the detail of this case at this time.

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Executed Sri Lankan maid’s mother refuses Saudi money
Executed Sri Lankan maid’s mother refuses Saudi money | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

COLOMBO: The mother of a Sri Lankan maid beheaded in Saudi Arabia for murder has rejected offers of cash from Saudi well-wishers following an outcry over the execution, a local newspaper said Friday.

**“I will not accept any gifts from the Saudis or the Saudi government which murdered my daughter,” **Rizana Nafeek’s mother, Saiyadu Farina, told the Lankadeepa newspaper according to an excerpt of an interview on its website Friday.

The impoverished family lives in a make-shift home in the eastern village of Muttur. Nafeek had falsified her age and gone to Saudi Arabia as a maid to earn money to build a proper house for her family, according to family associates.


i wish our poor government learns a lesson from this poor woman.
and I wish people stop going to a country where foreigners are given as gruesome a punishment as beheading without open and proper trial. No amount of money is worth your life.

Saudi Arab is a good example of showing that civilization and morality does not necessarily accompany wealth.

Sri Lanka to ban maids going to Saudi Arabia - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English
Amnesty International said that it appeared Nafeek had no access to lawyers either during her pre-trial interrogation or at her trial in 2007.