Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
Yes a baby has been killed but we have only heard one side of the story (Saudi's). It could so easily have been the result of pure negligence or incompetence on the girl's part. She was not a qualified baby-sitter.
The court indicted her and resulted in verdict against her and got her executed, not the police who captured her on the complaint, correct?
Below is just irrelevant to the topic at hand, no?
Look at the so-called Arab spring. In Egypt people got rid of Hosni Mubarak after so many sacrifices and struggles but despite hope for a new beginning, the person who replaced him (Morsi) became a dictator himself. What a joke!
Look at Libya and Syria. Asad refuses to go despite causing so much bloodshed and misery for > a year. In any other civilised society the leader would have voluntarily resigned by now. Forget western societies even in Pakistan it is unthinkable that a ruler could have survived that long after heaping so much misery on people. Ayub stepped down from office once the public opinion turned against him, Mushy *ja*isa bhi tha *w*ent in a peaceful manner. inn Arabs sey tau hum Pakistani behtar hein despite our own weaknesses.
One cannot help but feel that these Arab societies are a dysfunctional lot because of their tribal mentality.
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism
yes, with impartial saudi methods like the following:
she was not hired as a nanny. she was a house maid. in any normal society where legitimate law and lawyers are allowed to operate, the parents would be on trial for endangering their baby by leaving him with an untrained overworked maid.
kudos for sri lanka’s president even for all his huge flaws for withdrawing their ambassador from saudi. today a pakistani was executed on charges of drug smuggling. no one even cares. no one is ever arrested or investigated as being the saudi recipients of these poor drug mules.
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
so then how is it that a country made up of 100% muslims live happily under a king?
scratch the surface and you will not find everyone is happy as you stated. fear and intimidation is useful weapon if you want to keep a population quiet
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
I wonder how aware people are about the treatment foreigners receive in SA. With so many similar incidents happening in SA, you would think that people especially from the subcontinent would stop going to SA.
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
So the issues that raised here are many, despite no one really has any knowledge of details.
1- Was she 17 or not?
2- Was she a nanny or housemaid? A matter of semantics.
3- Did she really strangle the baby? Yes or no? In any book of ethics and law, strangling a baby is crime.
4- Was there a fair trial? Who knows?
5- Was she executed just because of not being European or North American? Does this mean any race other than European or North American are entitled to commit crime?
6- The method was of beheading is brutal versus any other method of execution.
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism
saudis execute way too many maids. usually after they complain of abuse by their employers and are arrested on fake charges. meanwhile child rapists like this guy will return and live happily.
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
I agree. so is injecting lethal drugs (US)
shooting is perhaps the best method
Well with the lethal injection, they also give an anesthetic as well. The person being executed in theory shouldnt feel any pain.
Sodium thiopental is generally used. Last year there was a shortage of the anesthetic, and a number of states ended up postponing execution till the issue was resolved.
The situation in the US is not ideal, but its not completely inhumane.
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
So the issues that raised here are many, despite no one really has any knowledge of details.
1- Was she 17 or not?
It is important. In any country, juveniles are treated differently. Some consideration is shown to the young. This might be lost on you though.
2- Was she a nanny or housemaid? A matter of semantics.
For you it is a matter of semantics. A housemaid cannot be a nanny. Handling a child requires special skill which a housemaid would not have.
3- Did she really strangle the baby? Yes or no? In any book of ethics and law, strangling a baby is crime.
Strangling a baby is a crime if proven. If not, then it is not
4- Was there a fair trial? Who knows?
5- Was she executed just because of not being European or North American? Does this mean any race other than European or North American are entitled to commit crime?
6- The method was of beheading is brutal versus any other method of execution.
Too many issues raised here.
Regardless: A child was killed and that is sad.
Blah blah... Just because a child died does not mean that the poor maid has to be executed.
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
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she was not hired as a nanny. she was a house maid. in any normal society where legitimate law and lawyers are allowed to operate, the parents would be on trial for endangering their baby by leaving him with an untrained overworked maid.
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Untrained and overworked is subjective. No mother has formal training...it's insane to suggest a nanny needs one too. That would never fly...
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
Untrained and overworked is subjective. No mother has formal training...it's insane to suggest a nanny needs one too. That would never fly...
would you hand over your newborn to a maid-servant with no experience handling babies to care for him/her in your absence?
caring for a newborn is a full-time job - they need to be fed every 2-3 hours, cleaned, put to sleep - not something a housemaid can possibly do in addition to her chores.
it is no secret that saudis treat their maids like slaves as it is.
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
would you hand over your newborn to a maid-servant with no experience handling babies to care for him/her in your absence?
caring for a newborn is a full-time job - they need to be fed every 2-3 hours, cleaned, put to sleep - not something a housemaid can possibly do in addition to her chores.
it is no secret that saudis treat their maids like slaves as it is.
The child was 4 monhs old, which is far from new born, and it is quite common for 17 year old releatives to mind after kids this age, so I see no problem with the same for a nanny...not to mention that in Saudi, you probably have mothers that age.
Second, her age is in dispute...she could be 23, but I suppose to those intent on bashing Saudis, we may as well consider that as "underaged" too...
Nannys often do housework, even here in wonderland. It's part of the job. I've interviewed many that have worked in the ME as well...
Finally, slaves don't get paid. Slaves don't have the option of migration.
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
It is important. In any country, juveniles are treated differently. Some consideration is shown to the young. This might be lost on you though.
For you it is a matter of semantics. A housemaid cannot be a nanny. Handling a child requires special skill which a housemaid would not have.
Strangling a baby is a crime if proven. If not, then it is not
Blah blah... **Just because **a child died does not mean that the poor maid has to be executed.
The definition and defense of being Juvenile comes only when the age is not in dispute.
17-23 years can and do perfectly Ok elsewhere in the world taking care of a young baby so why is it so special? The case is not about someone less than 10-15 year old right?
Age on Govt. issued ID is being disputed here. So why don't Siri Lankans admit they have corrupt system and make fake passport?
Again the words housemaid and nanny maybe different for some but not for all. Chances are she was 'both' like in many other households around the world.
One can argue all one wants, but the essence of the case seems to be what was the cause of death of the child. No one can be sure of it since no one knows the case proceedings.
The maid was not executed just because the child died and you have no weight in your last sentence. :)
Now,
The whole event is sad and unfortunately two lives are lost.
One cannot imagine there was some kind of conspiracy against this Nanny..unless any other evidence is brought, she was executed according to the laws of land (right or wrong) by the accepted method of KSA (right or wrong).
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism
bloody business for sure but** instant death, less pain**, I think most people would agree with this statement
As gross as it sounds, with beheading (cruel as it is), too many variables involved ((the skill (if you can call it that) of the person doing it, the sharpness of the sword, the force, whether the sword strikes the neck at the right place etc.))
We have heard stories of people surviving hanging (or remaining alive for 15-20 minutes etc.) … must be bloody painful
as a hypothesis *agar qurbani k jaanwar mein aqal hoti aur Allah ney usey yeh option dee hoti … *death by slitting the throat (some butchers are more skilful than others!!! … I have both read and heard stories of poor animals suffering /struggling for 30-45 minutes because of some anari doing it. This is just unacceptable and gunah imo) v death by shooting, which method do you think the poor animal will opt for? I think we all know the answer
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
bloody business for sure but** instant death, less pain**, I think most people would agree with this statement
As gross as it sounds, with beheading (cruel as it is), too many variables involved ((the skill (if you can call it that) of the person doing it, the sharpness of the sword, the force, whether the sword strikes the neck at the right place etc.))
We have heard stories of people surviving hanging (or remaining alive for 15-20 minutes etc.) ... must be bloody painful
I second that. Beheading is a gruesome way of killing a person. I read somewhere that after beheading, a person's head is able to see his surroundings for about half a minute. People who have seen a severed head say that emotions remain present in a beheaded head for that much amount of time.
Even thinking about it is gruesome.
Beheading was allowed in early Islam probably because it was the widely available way of punishing someone. But I am sure that if Islam was brought in this age and day then beheading would never have been used to kill anyone.
But it is the ignorance of these modern Wahhabi-minded Muslims who want to implement such gruesome ways of killings when other less-painful methods are available in this age which are closer to what Islam stands for.
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
Beheading was allowed in early Islam probably because it was the widely available way of punishing someone. But I am sure that if Islam was brought in this age and day then beheading would never have been used to kill anyone.
This is the case in all Abrahamic religions, and not just Islam...core of it is build on fear. Btw, if true Sharia was applied in Saudia half of Saudi Royals would have been beheaded by now.
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid's execution, hit back at criticism
bloody business for sure but** instant death, less pain**, I think most people would agree with this statement
As gross as it sounds, with beheading (cruel as it is), too many variables involved ((the skill (if you can call it that) of the person doing it, the sharpness of the sword, the force, whether the sword strikes the neck at the right place etc.))
We have heard stories of people surviving hanging (or remaining alive for 15-20 minutes etc.) ... must be bloody painful
as a hypothesis agar qurbani k jaanwar mein aqal hoti aur Allah ney usey yeh option dee hoti ..... *death by slitting the throat (some butchers are more skilful than others!!! .... I have both read and heard stories of poor animals suffering /struggling for 30-45 minutes because of some *anari doing it. This is just unacceptable and gunah imo) v death by shooting, which method do you think the poor animal will opt for? I think we all know the answer
Theory says that if blood supply is cut to brain then you don't feel anything afterwards, by shooting or injecting you are not really blocking blood to brain. What appears to our eyes is not always the truth.
Re: Saudis defend Sri Lankan maid’s execution, hit back at criticism
Even though the thread you opened is not about comparing various methods of capital punishments but I must say you are not very convincing there.
Please read about lethal injection as a way to give death penalty.
Just remember, the method of punishment and making an exemplary punishment BOTH were considered important in Islamic and pre-Islamic times.
Stoning and other gruesome methods are proscribed in religions practiced before Islam.
You brought good point of Ijtehad. Nothing wrong with that but no one can do anything or force anyone to do Ijtehad.
Please bring the evidence to this and how is it not possible to have ‘emotions’ being misread and even if correctly perceived would be different on the dead people who are killed by shooting.
Please prove what you said.
Just to let you know the term risus sardonicus is an expression on a lot of dead people and this looks like a smile.
Do you think dead people smile after their death? Really?
Anyways, enough on the method of punishment for now.
