A dimwitted 18 years old who doesn’t even have fully developed frontal lobe in her head causing an international drama morphing everything in it from abusive family to repressive Islamic restrictions to threats of getting tortured/killed - a true masala biryani for western world, NGOs and activists with agenda to kick into high gear. But when it comes to truly repressive regimes like India, Burma or Israel against their own minorities, hey it’s their internal matter.
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People like Rahaf are true indicator that Kingdom needs to look human rights situation.
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Of course my comments do not make sense to you, Sid. Of course they don?t.
The western world gets “masala biryani” because the Muslim world happily and enthusiastically serves it to them.
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Meaning: The starbucks where she wanted to go, now she will be kachra uthaeng and safai karing there? Austalian starbucks just got a new employee on less pay
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The Starbucks quote mentioned in the original post by Sid is nit even fromher. It is from an anonymous person with user name Sarah, a comment this young lady had nothing to do with.
@Southie
You insinuated that I was not telling the entire truth. You also insinuated that I was sugarcoating the experience of women in Saudi Arabia. You did it without reading the entire initial post, or you would have known earlier that I was not talking about Rahaf. You didn’t even bother to do a basic Google search before insinuating all that.
Later, you apologized for that and followed it up by saying I was either lazy & careless or dishonest . You also assumed I jumped to conclusions about Rahaf and I was dismissive even though I hadn’t commented on Rahaf. **I simply corrected a misconception about Saudi Arabia **which a big news agency like BBC didn’t bother to check before posting. Yes, I knew right from the beginning that it was Sara and not Rahaf who said that.
You made it personal from the beginning. I have nothing to apologize for. The personal attacks were not from my end. Even the misunderstanding wasn’t from my end. I wasn’t rude to you or anyone else . On the contrary, I’ve been polite to you throughout the thread.
Just another example of the West throwing away asylum tickets like frisbees when it best suits them but doesn’t budge an inch at holding infants captive at the Mexican border.
Sympathy towards Middle Easterners is clearly a pick and choose issue. After reading some of the posts here, I affirm that CNN has truly succeeded in its agenda.
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Here is a relevant thread we had on Saudis:
https://gupshup.org/forum/society/pakistan-world-affairs/16642476-jamal-khashoggi
Why? Kashogi was a dissident too. But he was still a muslim. He didnt say a single word against Islam. He was a learned and active journalist. He knew Islam is different and way better than what Saudis are incorporating in their kingdom.
And since the thread didnt contain any anti-Islam version, You see none of the likes of those throwing tantrums here on our calling out bluff of this girl posted a single word against Saudi Regime.
So in the end thats what all its about. You post an Anti-Islam thread/posts and they love it to death. You talk only about humanity or rights or anything while still respecting religion, meh they are as insensitive as just being non-existent.
I have one more example but as usual it wont make any change to the sealed ones so will rest my case here.
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No, not really. The world’s largest democracy has a lot of masala to offer, human rights are being violated left and right on a daily base, but the West does not care. Why? Because it’s not a Muslim country. It’s that simple.
Anyone who refuses to acknowledge or believe this needs to do some cognitive self-reflection.
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No, not really. The world’s largest democracy has a lot of masala to offer, human rights are being violated left and right on a daily base, but the West does not care. Why? Because it’s not a Muslim country. It’s that simple.
Anyone who refuses to acknowledge or believe this needs to do some cognitive self-reflection.
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How about this: the world, save for delusional Americans and people who suck up to America, know that America and the major western powers have their own human rights abuses. There is literally no debate whether there is or isn’t. We know that the governments of the Western powers turn a blind eye to their own BS. However, even with the hypocrisy it still does not erase the human rights abuses in Muslim-majority countries. Every time an issue like this is brought up people want to cry about “b-b-but the West!!!” What about the West? Crying about how bad they are is nothing but a deflection from the situation at hand. Two things can be true at the same time: The West is filled with hypocrites and many Muslim majority countries are filled with human rights abuses that should not be ignored.
I don’t think anyone here is denying the fact that human right abuse takes place in Muslim countries. That said, it wouldn’t be the first time that a certain situation has been manipulated and/or exaggerated for personal interests and it’s a good thing that people are aware of this, instead of believing everything without questioning it.
And especially when the West starts getting over-involved in these individual cases, one must be cautious.
why would an 18-yr old wake up one day and take such a drastic step? how many 18-yr old do you know who have done something similar? on what basis are you declaring that this will be an ongoing "trend’? leaving one’s family is not an easy thing. so common sense suggests that she must have gone through some major problems to take such a step. no?
you made up your mind from very first post that this will be an ongoing trend. not sure why. every case is different and will be dealt accordingly.
saudi arabia is a crappy place to begin with ( i lived there for 3 years), did you live there Sid? it is a very difficult place. anyone coming from saudi and claiming abuse need to be listened to very objectively.
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Ok do you know what trend I’m talking about? Did you try understanding it? I explained it in further detail for Southie as well who is totally not getting it as well.
Let me clarify again for you or anyone confused.
So it was never about the raising voice against the human rights or anything. The trend I’m talking about was about the tirade against religion i.e. Islam. Dig down the whole case. She complained of the family abuse for first few hours, next few hours against the strict rules in KSA and then rest of the hours till she got clearance—> a whole list of things of how Islam is bad and she is not going to bow down against Islam.
Once again, to me she played bluff. She acted like a Con once she changed directions. Thats the trend I’m talking about and hello, its just not me. Now everyone is saying that in next few days there will be many people following the suit cuz they have a testcase now.
And as for the problems in KSA, read my posts in Kashogi case thread I posted the link earlier. Who disagrees that there are problems and issues? But when you raise voice, talk against the regime not the religion just to seek attention of western states.
Wonder if she is wearing good brands stuff, in new pic every day?
Only this 18-yr old girl did so because of her strict parents and it has nothing to do with human rights issue in KSA otherwise we would see many such cases. wonder how many people will be accommodated by West?
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I don’t think anyone here is denying the fact that human right abuse takes place in Muslim countries. That said, it wouldn’t be the first time that a certain situation has been manipulated and/or exaggerated for personal interests and it’s a good thing that people are aware of this, instead of believing everything without questioning it.
And especially when the West starts getting over-involved in these individual cases, one must be cautious.
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Oh, you are right. You people don’t deny that goes on, only downplay the realities that make you uncomfortable. The West doesn’t need to exaggerate anything, not when the Muslim world is happy to provide. At the worst, the West is being a gigantic hypocrite.
My immigration lawyer often used to joke that if I claimed fear of life for my family from Islamic extremists back home, my immigration case would have had a 90% chance of success and would`ve taken 5% of time. I guess if I was a woman chances would be 99%. Don?t take my word. Ask any attorney and he will tell you the same.
There are plenty of places around the world where women have far tougher lives than women in KSA. Nowadays Venezuela is going through economic and social turmoil and lots of rapes and murders of women are happening there but there is zero news. All those women want to leave their country but no one wants them. Only bec. no one is interested in knowing about them. In fact some recent studies say that Latin America has become the most dangerous place for women. But again no one wants to know.
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I don’t think anyone here is denying the fact that human right abuse takes place in Muslim countries. That said, it wouldn’t be the first time that a certain situation has been manipulated and/or exaggerated for personal interests and it’s a good thing that people are aware of this, instead of believing everything without questioning it.
And especially when the West starts getting over-involved in these individual cases, one must be cautious.
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Where exactly is the manipulation and/or exaggeration in this specific case concerning a young lady in Saudi Arabia.
Did you miss the part about the lady having left Islam, and hence was abused by her family? How convenient and willfully ignorant of you to categorize this as parents being too strict for the lady.
Essentially this is a dishonest position. Doesn?t religion teach one to be honest