We lived in the best neighborhood and went to a really nice school, best college and best university. Dont flatter yourself the locals have absolutely no time to worry about what goes on in there. A Pakistani student who came to Canada shed light on the hidden side of the society she spoke about being with dozen men before turning 19. Predictably her article was banned in your country…
Ever GORA does not like every single thing about the west…should they leave too? There are GORAY officials working in the government that do not support gay rights, or abortion rights, or falana dhimkana rights…should they leave too?
Even the natives of a country are going to complain about their country…nobody is going to be 100% satisfied. Should they leave too?
Speaking of “leaving”…you are the one that needs to leave this forum. Your views are in such sharp contrast to Desi culture and you are on a freaking Desi forum. Despite your disgust for all things Desi and Islamic, despite your disdain for most of the people here…you so desperately want our taaliyan for your views and lifestyle. Why not just LEAVE this forum and go join one with a predominantly western culture and mindset?
You are ALWAYS telling people to leave the West…why don’t you take that first damn step…follow your own advice…and LEAVE this forum?
You do not have it within you to leave a small forum…and BIG Man on campus goes around telling people to leave a country. Baby steps, Bob. Bab steps. Leave the forum that you cannot stand. And don’t bother saying that, “Oh I’m here because of a few good people and that’s why I’m staying” …Well you know what? That’s the same reason that other people have. They choose to remain in a country because of some goods that they appreciate.
So just as you INSIST upon staying and afflicting us with your bongiyan because you’ve chosen to take the good with bad…other people tend to have the same logic when choosing to remain in a place.
That just shows that she was/is a slut. Doesn’t change anything. Plus i am sure she had her own axe to grind…asylum perhaps? You and your ilk can stay there pretended you have become white, wont change anything,
There are people who are right leaning and conservatives and hundreds of millions identify with that ideology so unfortunately they are a part of this society. The same people who are anti gay are the ones pushing for people to be deported and immigration bans. Extremists judgemental anti society religious fanatics are not a part of this society. If you hate it here why dont you leave. When 99.9 percent of the society rejects your point of view then really you have a choice, this is not your country of birth, It is a country of your choice.
It did change things, without fear of irking the west and western media they would have skinned the model alive for wearing a skirt. So she was a slut but the dozen men she slept with were not? That there is the problem. Point fingers at women, call them sluts but when 85 percent of street children are molested by males they are not shamed.
So she is complaining about being able to have all the sex she wanted to have in Pakistan and in canada. And she is complaining about being judged for her actions. And you think that is unfair?
How about 100s of girls NOT having sex, not carrying out any immoral acts, trying to dress up as much sloppily as possible not to be accused of inviting attention, imprisoned themselves to their houses to avoid being judged for doing absolutely nothing wrong as per the society’s standards, to avoid being judged for being a bad girl for going out alone only to have a cup of coffee in peace. Those girls are not doing anything wrong as per the society’s standards. They are not meeting any guys when they go out. Their only fault is to want to have a cup of coffee all alone. But still the great nobel beyond frsutrated male population of the great muslim society judging her being out all alone and ogling at her as if her only purpose to come out for a coffee was for their eye candy or to hunt doen a sex partner. How disgusting is that? Should such women complain? Is it fair for such women to be judged for going out alone to have a cup of coffee?
Sometimes I feel that actions of the loose women of this country is the reason why the rest have to suffer. Because the sexually promiscuous men having experienced these women will be prone to judgement of all the women. These kinds are the reason that encourage that kind of mind set for all the women being judged by their sexual partners.
A girl cant peacefully have a cup of coffee, an ice cream, walk around in a mall or go for a walk without being followed, chased, harrassed if she is alone even if she has no intention of having sex or meeting guys. That is what I find painful in muslim societies. That mind set.
I think articles like these actually provide more reasons for people to become judgemental about women going out alone no matter how much pious… restricting freedom of those women even more. Not every woman living in pakistan is as sex crazy, horny as this girl. Due to actions of girls like these, all the women get to suffer the dirty judgemental mindsets of the muslim socities. People need to know that these girls do not represent the entire female population of Pakistan and these girls should not speak on behalf of all the paki girls.
I am sorry you misunderstood the post, it was just to highlight the point that as many chose to have sex here so do many there. The reason women are harassed there is because the society and the law does not protect them. Harassment here is dealt with very harshly and swiftly. The biggest issue with the bad behavior is depravity, cultural attitude, societal values and the law and enforcement. A guy here harassing a woman will be confronted by other males, will lose his job, will be thrown out of school and finally arrested and jailed so it is all about consequences. I have seen completely naked women on the beach and no one so much as looked. Most of my young colleague girls here live independently and alone and have never been bothered. Having sex is a personal choice and does not make someone good or bad. That is just a choice that person made. I would not make that choice but that does not make me a better person.
Scores of girls chose to have sex here and yet there is hardly any harassment. many chose to be celibate, there are muslims, hindus, sikhs etc and no one harrases them.
If a lecture on sex can be conducive for underage then he/she can consent as well. How can you stop a girl in 16 marrying a man of age 60 if your law had declared her mature? Isnt it the case of superior marrying minor?
I would say teaching sex practices are counter productive as children would take it as permission granted or persuasion to him/her to have sex(protected or not protected) while being underage.
Without arguing, it can go both ways but I would put it as
Mon-martial Relationship:
There is no sense of responsibility so more abuse are expected.
Marriage:
Since couple aim at making the relationship last longer so less abuse and more care about each other.
In fact we observe in our society that more abuse are found in non-marital relationships. stats and data also suggest same.
Mostly these lectures on sex education teaches them to protect themselves from old pervs who see children as sexual objects. There can never be any justification for an old man to have sex with an under age child.
**Too Common
**Nearly 1.5 million high school students nationwide experience physical abuse from a dating partner in a single year.
One in three adolescents in the U.S. is a victim of physical, sexual, emotional or verbal abuse from a dating partner, a figure that far exceeds rates of other types of youth violence.
One in 10 high school students has been purposefully hit, slapped or physically hurt by a boyfriend or girlfriend.
**Why Focus on Young People?
**Girls and young women between the ages of 16 and 24 experience the highest rate of intimate partner violence — almost triple the national average.
Among female victims of intimate partner violence, 94% of those age 16-19 and 70% of those age 20-24 were victimized by a current or former boyfriend or girlfriend.
Violent behavior typically begins between the ages of 12 and 18.
The severity of intimate partner violence is often greater in cases where the pattern of abuse was established in adolescence.
**Don’t Forget About College Students
**Nearly half (43%) of dating college women report experiencing violent and abusive dating behaviors.
College students are not equipped to deal with dating abuse – 57% say it is difficult to identify and 58% say they don’t know how to help someone who’s experiencing it.
One in three (36%) dating college students has given a dating partner their computer, online access, email or social network passwords and these students are more likely to experience digital dating abuse.
One in six (16%) college women has been sexually abused in a dating relationship.
**Long-lasting Effects
**Violent relationships in adolescence can have serious ramifications by putting the victims at higher risk for substance abuse, eating disorders, risky sexual behavior and further domestic violence.
Being physically or sexually abused makes teen girls six times more likely to become pregnant and twice as likely to get a STI.
Half of youth who have been victims of both dating violence and rape attempt suicide, compared to 12.5% of non-abused girls and 5.4% of non-abused boys.
**Lack of Awareness
**Only 33% of teens who were in a violent relationship ever told anyone about the abuse.
Eighty-one (81) percent of parents believe teen dating violence is not an issue or admit they don’t know if it’s an issue.
Though 82% of parents feel confident that they could recognize the signs if their child was experiencing dating abuse, a majority of parents (58%) could not correctly identify all the warning signs of abuse.
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It seems there is correlation between age and abuse. Nowhere does the article compare based on the marital status of the participants.
A study investigating abuse in married couples and unmarried ones would have to make sure all other variables are kept constant. Another question to consider would be the duration people dated before they got married. A person is less likely to marry someone who abused them while dating. Of course, this means there would be less abuse in married couples. Abusive relationship end before the marriage phase.
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Well, then a child who can understand and practice protected sex can also decide what is good for herself. you cannot tell them what is good for them at what age, by secular law.
My original point is regarding damage done, not about marriage or after marriage. Data showing, that society is nurturing an environment of child sex abuse and it has long term affects as well.
The solution is clear let the father of an 8 yr old decide to marry her daughter off to a 47 year old, the daughter has a choice to either accept the old man or get beat or even honor killed for refusing the marriage. The old man paid 13k to the girls father so she owes him. When he is done with her the old man can just say talak 3 times and boot her out. He wont owe her any damages, support payments nothing. I am surprised you don’t have the philosophical understanding that it is perfectly fine for an 8 yr old to marry a 47 yr old.
You and your ilk can stay there pretended you have become white, wont change anything,
