Off course NOT! For a true “Toe-Head”, Arabs are always better.
Pakistanis are just Miskeens and Rafeeks. Happy Now?
I am proud to be a Pakistani Nationalistic youth. That is the country that sacrificed so much to allow me to reach the stars.
Yes! I have the honor of being called Pakistani.
Let’s roll 
some TIN (Tribal, Insane, Neanderthals) cups.
Watching this thread is a comedy show.
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An important hadith: "This knowledge will be carried by the trustworthy ones of every generation..." (Ibn Asakir)... the trustworthy will carry Islam... the killing of innocents whoever they may be is a betrayal of trust...
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Which innocents have been killed by the Mujahideen?
And I say again specifically the Mujahideen.
Because when they carry out an attack/operation they declare openly that it was them who done it. Any other operations that they have not claimed responsibility for, do not say it was the Mujahideen who done it.
So, the question is WHICH INNOCENTS. SHOW US. It has ALREADY been proven that assisting the Americans with any type of assistance against the Muslims is Apostasy.
So which innocents have been killed on purpose?
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Off course NOT! For a true "Toe-Head", Arabs are always better. Pakistanis are just Miskeens and Rafeeks. Happy Now?
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Your statement
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For a true "Toe-Head", Arabs are always better.
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Who said this? Our Nabi sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam has told us an ‘Arab is no better than a non-‘Arab and vise versa.
So if your implying I say ‘Arabs are better than Pakistanis. That’s not true. The ones with Taqwa are superior.
You have not addressed anything what so ever. No Proof. Just a while ago you were saying “seek Guidance of Allaah and His Rasool”.
You guys are funny people.
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I am proud to be a Pakistani Nationalistic youth. That is the country that sacrificed so much to allow me to reach the stars. Yes! I have the honor of being called Pakistani.
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Do you know what our Prophet told us to say to the person who is proud of his Jahiliyyah?
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Wonder who are these nut cases who don't even know the necessity of being Truthful, Trustworthy, and Tolerant.
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Show us then. Enlighten us.
Because as far as I know any corrupted Muslim can do Jihad. But you limit it to those who are “Trustworthy, Truthful and Merciful”. Who give you the right to do that?
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BTW, where were these righteous Mujahideen warriors when Saddam was killing Muslims by the hundreds of thousands? Why weren't they beheading the torturers and muderers of that regime?
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There were actually. Al-Ansaar al-Islaam.
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Watching this thread is a comedy show.
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Running out of arguments Mr. Toe-Head?
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*Originally posted by At-Tawheed: *
So, the question is WHICH INNOCENTS. SHOW US.
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Sorry we can't! Those unarmed Pakistanis have already been beheaded by your Araab masters.
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It has ALREADY been **proven* that assisting the Americans
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They were carrying supplies for Iraqi children. There was no ammo in those trucks. They were unarmed.
Now show me your Biduean's court documents where they provided an attorney and properly charged these Pakistanis with the crimes that you talk about.
Woops! you can't. Those Bedus don't know how to read and write. They just know how to kill unarmed Pakistanis.
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Originally posted by At-Tawheed: *
Our *Nabi sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam has told us an ‘Arab is no better than a non-‘Arab and vise versa.
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Cool! now you have won. Can you go tell the same thing to your Saudi terror brothers? I mean they understand Arabic? Don't they? Ask them what do they mean by Miskeen and Rafeek? Why do they curse elderly Pakistanis on the Airports and other public places?
May be they don't care about Nabi.
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Because as far as I know any **corrupted* Muslim can do Jihad.
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Good brother! More power to you. You certainly will enjoy the company of liars, cheaters, and beheaders.
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But you limit it to those who are “Trustworthy, Truthful and Merciful”. Who give you the right to do that?
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I don't judge people. Rasool practiced these 3 things even before he ever discussed Islam. So by his practice he showed all that you must meet the 3 conditions before swearing an oath to Allah and Rasool. I am sure you disagree with that. Your ilk are neither truthful, nor trustworthy, nor do they know the meaning of mercy.
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Sorry we can't! Those unarmed Pakistanis have already been beheaded by your Araab masters.
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Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
I guess you aint been reading the whole thread, eh?
What does unarmed have to do with anything?
Don’t you know that anyone from the claimants of Islaam who assists the Kuffar against the Believers with anything whatsoever, is an apostate?!
Anything can mean, from cleaning their dustbins in their bases, driving their trucks to deliver them food (which is what your Apostate Pakistani brothers were doing) to giving out information about the Mujahideen and fellow Muslims which will get them in trouble.
Before we start speaking and hating people, let us know our proof from the Sharee’ah. I mean, honestly, brother there is no difference of opinion in this issue of helping the Kuffar against the Believers. It is without doubt Apostasy and the Scholars of the Religion are all agreed upon this. Even if the person who helped the Kuffar and was ignorant of the fact this act of his is apostasy, he is still an apostate despite his ignorance! And many many many examples of this can be found in the Seerah.
We call this Mudhaharah in the Sharee’ah term.
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They were carrying supplies for Iraqi children. There was no ammo in those trucks. They were unarmed. Now show me your Biduean's court documents where they provided an attorney and properly charged these Pakistanis with the crimes that you talk about.Woops! you can't. Those Bedus don't know how to read and write. They just know how to kill unarmed Pakistanis.
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Firstly, they were providing food to the US occupation forces. And that is what was said on al-Jazeerah News as well as other news channels!
Here is one article showing us who they were and what they were doing!
{{{{{{ Thursday 29 July 2004, 0:13 Makka Time, 21:13 GMT
An Egyptian driver was released by his captors last week
In a videotape sent to Al-jazeera, a group calling itself the Islamic Army announced that it had executed two Pakistani captives.
The two men were working with a Kuwaiti subsidiary of Saudi company Al-Tamimi which had been subcontracted to supply foodstuffs to US occupation forces in Iraq.
The videotape displayed the decapitated bodies of the two Pakistanis, but Al-jazeera declined to air it citing viewer sensitivities.
The same group said it had freed an Iraqi driver after he had proved that he was deluded and had announced his repentance.
Last week, the Pakistani foreign ministry said that two nationals, Raja Azad Khan and Sajjad Naeem, were identified as missing.
Although Al-jazeera would not air graphic footage it did replay scenes showing the Pakistani captives giving their names and identity papers verifying their positions as contractors to US-based company Kellogg, Brown and Root.
The captors also displayed a picture of the two Pakistani men hugging a US military officer in Iraq.
Al-jazeera }}}}}}}
Secondly, What’s wrong with being a Bedouin? Some of the great Companions were Bedouins? Don’t you know there was a Bedouin Companion who used to come and visit the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam and he (the Prophet) used to love him very dearly, and would joke with him. Do you mock a people based upon their lineage? Where does the Sunnah sanction this kind of behaviour?
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Cool! now you have won. Can you go tell the same thing to your Saudi terror brothers? I mean they understand Arabic? Don't they? Ask them what do they mean by Miskeen and Rafeek? Why do they curse elderly Pakistanis on the Airports and other public places?
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Just because some ignorant ‘Arab does that, does this mean that you have to banish all ‘Arabs? Does this mean you also pick up the disease of Nationalism like them ignorant ones?
No, stick to Islaam. And there are many examples of Pakistani people degrading and belittling Bangladeshi People and Indian Muslims. So it happens not only with ‘Arabs but with ignorant Nationalists from all over the world including your beloved Paksitani people.
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Good brother! More power to you. You certainly will enjoy the company of liars, cheaters, and beheaders.
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Beheading has been proved that it is permissible. Lets not take Islaam upon our whims and desires, submit fully to it.
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I don't judge people. Rasool practiced these 3 things even before he ever discussed Islam. So by his practice he showed all that you must meet the 3 conditions before swearing an oath to Allah and Rasool. I am sure you disagree with that. Your ilk are neither truthful, nor trustworthy, nor do they know the meaning of mercy.
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lol
You don’t judge people? You just called all the Mujahideen horrible kinds of names without any proof.
We don’t swear an oath to the Messenger. We only make an oath to Allaah. If we were to make an oath to anyone else, it would be Shirk.
The Prophet said that whoever swears an oath by something other than Allaah is guilty of Kufr or Shirk.
“Whoever swears an oath, let him not swear by anything other than Allaah.”
And he also said: “Whoever swears an oath by anything other than Allaah has committed Shirk.”
Narrated by al-Imaam an-Nasaa’i.
Anyways, the main point, there is examples of the battles that occurred in our History where the Major Sinners of the Muslims would attend the Jihad.
We know that the better Muslim is the one who is Trustworthy, Truthful and Merciful. We know these are all important characteristics to have. But to limit the Jihad to only these types of people is an Innovation into the Religion. I mean who said this before you?
You limit it to those who have to be the MOST Trustworthy, Truthful and Merciful. Allaahul Musta’aan.
Praise be to Allaah who said:
"Say: Bring forth your proof if you are Truthful." (2:111)
"Bring forth your most Trustworthy, Truthful and Merciful if they are to decide which civilians are to be beheaded. Let us make sure their cause is just and their hearts righteous if they are to kill in the name of Allah as He despises violence for the sake of terror to be taken in His name."
where did u get that from seminole ^^
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*Originally posted by At-Tawheed: *
.........your Apostate Pakistani brothers ........
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Ok, they are not just Miskeens and Rafeeks. Now they are apostates too. Wow!. Mufti-e-Azam what else is wrong with US Pakistanis? Talk about Araab induced superiority complex!!! Egyptians were let go and unarmed Pakistanis beheaded. Good lord! How far you would go to defend your Araab masters?
The only thing to cure this complex is to apply Pak-army's boot on Araab behinds.
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where did u get that from seminole
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common sense
*Antiobl * - The Arabs and ‘Bedus’ who are nationalists or racialists are no worse or better than Pakistanis who are nationalists or racialists.
Really, you don’t have anything to proud of Pakistani nationalism. There is always tension among the ‘nationalities’ within Pakistan. Sindi and Balouchi nationalists don’t want the Punjabis to settle within their ‘national borders’. The nationalist Muhajirs want all others to be out of Karachi. Maybe the Punjabis think that they are the real heart of Pakistan. In 1972 the ‘majority of Pakistanis’ [the Bengalis] opted out of being Pakistanis! It on record that for last 32 years you have left about 3 million plus fellow Pakistanis to rot in Bangladesh. They have been begging since but it seems that nobody wants to know or really cares.
Why you have you betrayed them? Are they lesser Pakistanis than you?
If you keep up with the news you will know that these nationalities within Pakistan can not even agree to share the river waters fairly. Each nationality is accusing the others of being cheats.
Any Muslim advocating for nationalism, whether he be a ‘Bedu’ Arab or a Pakistani, he is suffering from a deadly disease of Jahiliyyah [Pre-Islamic ignorance].
Prophet Muhammad (saw) has warned us [Muslims] against the ignorant asabiyyah [with all its types and forms Tribalism, Nationalism].... All of these are strong warnings from which the heart of a believer trembles because he believes that he will stand accountable before Allah (swt) on the Day of Judgment. Among these ahadith are:
"Allah (swt) took away the asabiyyah of jahiliyyah from you, and your boasting about your fathers. So, man is either a righteous believer or a corrupted non-believer. You are the children of Adam, and Adam is from dirt; let men quit their boasting of their own people,they are nothing but coal from the coal of Hell or they will be more humiliated in the sight of Allah more than the dung beetle that pushes dung with its nose." * * - Authentic narration by Imam Abu-Dawud
^ *“So, man is either a righteous believer or a corrupted non-believer.” * - means that you cannot be a Believer [Muslim] or a Nationalist at the same time. It’s either one or the other. The two cannot mix.
*Now choose what you want to be! *
Any Muslim, whether he is Arab, Pakistani or of any other nationality, takes pride in his nationality; according to Prophet Muhammad (saw) he is lower than a dung beetle.
Referring to all forms of Asabiyyah, nationalism, racism, and patriotism, Prophet Muhammad (saw) said, ** “Leave it. It is Rotten” ** - [Bukhari & Muslim]
Make up your mind, if you still persist in taking pride in your nationalism; you know where you stand according to the sayings of the Prophet (saw)?
You want to send Pakistani army to avenge the death of 2 Pakistanis? And yet you forget to avenge for thousands upon thousands innocents slaughtered in Kashmir, which is the Jugular Vein of Pakistan, for last 57 years.
The more you hit the keyboard the more you expose your lack of Islamic knowledge and your Pakistani nationalism is dubious too!
[At tawheed wrote: "Don’t you know that anyone from the claimants of Islaam who assists the Kuffar against the Believers with anything whatsoever, is an apostate?! "]
So, At tawheed you are also an APOSTATE, because you are currently using a web browser to read write this post, the operating system you are using was also made by these infidel americans and don't forget the computer you are using was also designed by these infidels. By using their products you are supporting them and the money they make goes against muslims like you. Like you said "anything whatsoever".
Also, what do you think about hundreds and hundreds of innocent bystanders being killed in Iraq by these mujhadeens when they blow themselves up in the middle of the town. Were they all supporting americans by going to work or to the doctor etc when your friends blow them away.
And please don't spread lies about pakistanis. Mohajirs never said that they want other nations out of the karachi. You are a liar too.
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*Originally posted by antiobl: *
Ok, they are not just Miskeens and Rafeeks. Now they are apostates too. Wow!. Mufti-e-Azam what else is wrong with US Pakistanis? Talk about Araab induced superiority complex!!! Egyptians were let go and unarmed Pakistanis beheaded. Good lord! How far you would go to defend your Araab masters?
The only thing to cure this complex is to apply Pak-army's boot on Araab behinds.
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Your comments are racist you labelling entire people.
There is no place for racism against any people! As every muslim should know!
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Ok, they are not just Miskeens and Rafeeks. Now they are apostates too. Wow!. Mufti-e-Azam what else is wrong with US Pakistanis? Talk about Araab induced superiority complex!!! Egyptians were let go and unarmed Pakistanis beheaded. Good lord! How far you would go to defend your Araab masters?
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Your quick.
I said that from the first post, that your beloved Bakis who were killed were Apostates.
Read Ibn Sadiques wise post.
And then,
read it again.
And then,
read it again.
Make sure you understand.
Comprehend.
Then implement.
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So, At tawheed you are also an APOSTATE, because you are currently using a web browser to read write this post, the operating system you are using was also made by these infidel americans and don't forget the computer you are using was also designed by these infidels. By using their products you are supporting them and the money they make goes against muslims like you. Like you said "anything whatsoever".
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lol
"Salamah"
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Also, what do you think about hundreds and hundreds of innocent bystanders being killed in Iraq by these mujhadeens when they blow themselves up in the middle of the town. Were they all supporting americans by going to work or to the doctor etc when your friends blow them away.
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When did the Mujahideen claim responsibility for these attacks? Show me.
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And please don't spread lies about pakistanis. Mohajirs never said that they want other nations out of the karachi. You are a liar too.
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What?
My dear believer brother and sisters, do we even have to argue with the fools. The point has been made clearly. Lets just say 
to jahils.
So before we get to that, do we agree on the culpability of such a crime? You asked the same question of me in the other thread before it got locked. I ask you this: do you agree that such crimes (bombing in shia masajid, indiscriminate bombing in Iraq etc..) are manifestly against Islam, and that such criminals deserve to be pursued and prosecuted to the utmost?
Perhaps you should also take a look at the links I’ve posted here:
http://www.dawn.com/2004/06/26/local1.htm
http://www.dawn.com/2004/06/14/top6.htm
http://www.dawn.com/2004/06/30/local2.htm
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/20020303.htm
http://www.dawn.com/2003/09/03/op.htm
http://www.karachipage.com/news/sectarian2.html
Now look at this:
http://www.paktribune.com/news/print.php?id=37497
The lashkar jhangvi culprits actually produced a tape expressing their designs. Now do a google on LJ/SSP/Junudullah and Al Qaeda. Investigate into where the criminals from Al Qaeda were caught, who was giving them support in Pakistan. You will come across such choice names.
All of these criminals call themselves Mujahidin.
I was in Karachi when the Taleban/Al Qaeda got kicked out of afghanistan, and came scurrying over the border. Sectarian killings had seen a relative lull at that time. Immediately, the bombings and killings were ramped up a scale. One criminal caught issued a statement that he would kill more if he was released. That he went and prayed nawafil after each successful strike.
Ibn Sadique
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Originally posted by Ibn Sadique: *
**Antiobl * - The Arabs and ‘Bedus’ who are nationalists or racialists are no worse or better than Pakistanis who are nationalists or racialists.
Really, you don’t have anything to proud of Pakistani nationalism. There is always tension among the ‘nationalities’ within Pakistan. Sindi and Balouchi nationalists don’t want the Punjabis to settle within their ‘national borders’. The nationalist Muhajirs want all others to be out of Karachi. Maybe the Punjabis think that they are the real heart of Pakistan. In 1972 the ‘majority of Pakistanis’ [the Bengalis] opted out of being Pakistanis! It on record that for last 32 years you have left about 3 million plus fellow Pakistanis to rot in Bangladesh. They have been begging since but it seems that nobody wants to know or really cares.
Why you have you betrayed them? Are they lesser Pakistanis than you?
If you keep up with the news you will know that these nationalities within Pakistan can not even agree to share the river waters fairly. Each nationality is accusing the others of being cheats.
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What is the state of Muslims then for us to be proud about Islam? We, the immense in number, the immense in weakness. We the claimants to the final, true religion, we the most corrupt, the most decadent.
We are those who use chemical bombs on our own people. We are the ones who call in foreign armies to kill our own people. We are the ones who bomb masajid in the name of Jihad.
Muslims are the most backward, Muslims are the most corrupt, Muslims are the least educated. Why take pride in our relgion then?
Pakistan is the most advanced Muslim country. Inspite of being perpetually on the brink of bankrupcy, inspite of not being born overflowing with oil, inspite of all the corrupt rulers, misguided jihadists, foreign refugees, hostile neighbors, population explosion, our education system, our foreign professionals, our doctors, engineers, bankers, scientists are unsurpassed in the Muslim world.
Dont compare statistics or news my friend. There is FAR more to be proud about in Pakistan, than the broader Muslim world.
Islam and Pakistan are not competing ideas. They are complimentary ideas. I do not advocate this or that. I advocate both. Islam is my religion and Pakistan is my country.
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Any Muslim advocating for nationalism, whether he be a ‘Bedu’ Arab or a Pakistani, he is suffering from a deadly disease of Jahiliyyah [Pre-Islamic ignorance].
Prophet Muhammad (saw) has warned us [Muslims] against the ignorant asabiyyah [with all its types and forms Tribalism, Nationalism].... All of these are strong warnings from which the heart of a believer trembles because he believes that he will stand accountable before Allah (swt) on the Day of Judgment. Among these ahadith are:
"Allah (swt) took away the asabiyyah of jahiliyyah from you, and your boasting about your fathers. So, man is either a righteous believer or a corrupted non-believer. You are the children of Adam, and Adam is from dirt; let men quit their boasting of their own people,they are nothing but coal from the coal of Hell or they will be more humiliated in the sight of Allah more than the dung beetle that pushes dung with its nose." * * - Authentic narration by Imam Abu-Dawud
^ *“So, man is either a righteous believer or a corrupted non-believer.” * - means that you cannot be a Believer [Muslim] or a Nationalist at the same time. It’s either one or the other. The two cannot mix.
*Now choose what you want to be! *
Any Muslim, whether he is Arab, Pakistani or of any other nationality, takes pride in his nationality; according to Prophet Muhammad (saw) he is lower than a dung beetle.
Referring to all forms of Asabiyyah, nationalism, racism, and patriotism, Prophet Muhammad (saw) said, ** “Leave it. It is Rotten” ** - [Bukhari & Muslim]
Make up your mind, if you still persist in taking pride in your nationalism; you know where you stand according to the sayings of the Prophet (saw)?
You want to send Pakistani army to avenge the death of 2 Pakistanis? And yet you forget to avenge for thousands upon thousands innocents slaughtered in Kashmir, which is the Jugular Vein of Pakistan, for last 57 years.
The more you hit the keyboard the more you expose your lack of Islamic knowledge and your Pakistani nationalism is dubious too!
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Asabiyyah does not correlate directly to nationalism/patriotism. It correlates to chauvinism. Supporting your nation/tribe whether they are right or wrong. You may take pride in your nationality, until they go against Islam.
Here:
The Prophet (s) said: Best among you is the person who defends his tribe till they do not commit a sin. [Abu Dawood, Sunan, hadith # 5130]
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**Antiobl * -
Really, you don’t have anything to proud of Pakistani nationalism.
Make up your mind, ...you know where you stand according to the sayings of the Prophet (saw)?
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I see a familiar pattern now. These Araabs or Araab-wann-bees hang around Pakistani forum, telling us all that "there is nothing to be proud of Pakistan”.
Wow! These Araabs are worse than Bha-Rat-i Chankias. At least those Rats don't hit you with Hadith like daisy cutters. Prophet (saw) was proud of the place he lived. He would wage war just because another king disrespected his ambassador. We are simply following his footsteps by kicking the be-hinds of all them Araab terrorists.
Now we have these Araaab freek rafeeks who are telling us not to protect our homes, our towns, our cities and our country. These freek rafeeks now want to make our foreign policy according to the whims of OinkBL. We defend against these terrorists and they accuse us of siding with USA. These Araaabs love Bha-Rat-i groups and now doing the dirty work of attacking the very core of our country.
First they hate Pakistanis, and then they plan to create chaos in Pakistan. All while using Araaab Tribal, Insane, and Neanderthal (TIN) cup logic.
Their logic is false and doesn't carry an iota of truth, no matter how may religious sounding words they post.
Here is the bottom line for those who want to harm my home, my city, my country. Pak-army's boot is going to be on your behind. Run like rest of the Tora Bora coward cave dwelling rats.
AOBL, 10 points for the originality in distorting names and negative 20 points for just typing without an argument…
If any Muslim sides openly with the Kuffar, then that Muslim should be first put to rest, for a rotten wound can harm the rest of the body…A rotten Muslim can harm the whole Ummah, and there is nothing more rotten than a Muslim who has confessed his loyalty to the Kuffar…
Doesn’t matter if the whole world sides against a single Momin, for life and death are for Allah :swt: to decide and no life finds better end than a life that ends for the sake of Allah :swt:…
thats the thing right now. those who fight Muslims are Muslims too. As for those who fight Kuffar. The prophet at different points in his life fought with the Kuffaar and he also sought to make peace treaties with them, one condition for which included that criminals of either side will not be harboured.
Now this is the Pakistani version of Islam…The Prophet :saw: waging war because ‘his’ ambassador was insulted…What ignorance…Where is the proof of this Hadith AuntyOBail?
And if the Holy Prophet :saw: waged war for ‘his’ ambassador just being insulted, then wouldn’t it make Osama Bin Laden’s war justified for avenging the DEATH of ‘his’ people?