Saudi Tortures YOUR Brothers

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SAUDI TORTURERS TORTURE AND HUMILIATE MUJAHIDEEN DURING INTERROGATION

WHAT CREATES INDIVIDUALS LIKE USAMA BIN LADIN?

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DO NOT DISREGARD THIS MESSAGE AS YOU MAY BE ASKED ABOUT IT ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT

We would like to say that what you are about to read is not a fabricated or second-hand account. This account was taken DIRECTLY from the mouth of the brother who underwent this torture and spoke to his brother inmates. After our last report titled: ‘Torture in Saudi Prisons: Exclusive Report’, some defenders of the Saudi regime stated that they did not deny the report, but that it must have been exaggerated. This is a stance similar to the disbelievers at the time of the Prophet, who said to him: “We do not say that you are a liar, but we say that what you have brought is false.”

Defenders of the Saudi regime will nonetheless continue to make further excuses after this second torture report and say that this is a made-up story or that it is lies. In this case:

AZZAM PUBLICATIONS PUBLICLY CHALLENGES SUCH PEOPLE, UNDER THE WITNESS OF ALLAH (SWT) TO SWEAR TO ALLAH THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A FABRICATEDACCOUNT, THAT THIS ACCOUNT HAS BEEN EXAGGERATED, THAT THIS DID NOT HAPPEN IN A SAUDI PRISON AND THAT THE PRISON OFFICERS NAMED BELOW DO NOT WORK FOR THE SAUDI INTELLIGENCE SERVICES, INVOKING THE ETERNAL CURSE OF ALLAH (SWT) UPON THEMSELVES IF THIS ACCOUNT IS TRUE.

We say that - IF, AFTER READING THIS ACCOUNT, ANY MUSLIM STILL HAS DOUBT IN HIS HEART AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT IS AN AMERICAN BACKED GOVERNMENT AND AN ENEMY TO MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD, THEN THEY MUST SIT DOWN AND CHECK THEIR IMAN BECAUSE MAYBE THEN THERE IS SOME DEFICIENCY IN THEIR IMAN AND THEIR CLAIM IN BEING A MUSLIM.

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The following news article should be read from beginning to end for maximum effect. This and previous news articles may be found on our web site.

As this news bulletin goes to press, there are still currently over 2000 Mujahideen that have been imprisoned in Saudi Arabia during the latest oppression that began a few days before Hajj, 1998. Azzam Publications has managed to conduct another exclusive interview with one brother who spent some time in a Saudi prison within the last few months. He was arrested when he returned from a land of Jihad, and released after one year, when no evidence of criminal activity was found on him. Azzam Publications is still in contact with this brother and able to answer any questions relating to it.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF TORTURE THAT IS STILL BEING CARRIED OUT IN THE PRISONS OF A COUNTRY THAT CLAIMS TO BE AN ISLAMIC SALAFI GOVERNMENT WHOSE LEADER IS DUBBED AS THE AMEER-UL-MU’MINEEN (CHIEF OF THE BELIEVERS).

EYE-WITNESS ACCOUNT OF TORTURE IN SAUDI PRISON. YOU MAY FIND SOME PARTS DISTURBING, BUT WE HAVE INCLUDED EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT IS THE TRUTH AND ALLAH IS WITNESS TO THAT.

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In the Name of ALLAH, the Most Merciful, the Most Kind

Sometime after I returned from a land of Jihad, soon after the Hajj season,
I
was asked to report at the headquarters of the Saudi Interior Ministry in
my
city. I was told that I was needed for questioning for a period not
exceeding
two weeks. I was then taken to the famous Ar-Ruwais Interrogation Centre in
Ar-Ruwais District, Jeddah. Unlike the Al-Hair maximum security prison in
Riyadh, where Dr. Sheikh Salman Al-Owdah and Dr. Sheikh Safar Al-Hawali
have
been in detention since September 1994 (over four years now), Ar-Ruwais
Interrogation is not publicly known by international human rights
organisations such as Amnesty International and Red Cross. The Saudi
Government continues to deny the existence of such a place. Ar-Ruwais
Interrogation Centre is also the place where Sheikh Abu Abdul-Azeez, the
initiator of the Jihad in Bosnia was held for fifteen months (he has since
been released but is banned from leaving the country) and Abu Abdur-Rahman
Al-Sarehi, the mastermind of the famous Lion's Den Operation against the
Soviet Army in Jaaje, Afghanistan, 1987: undoubtedly the most brilliant
operation conducted by the foreign Mujahideen against the Soviets in the
ten
year Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, is still being held.

When I arrived at the prison, I was placed in a large room with about ten
other brothers. I was placed in such a room because all the solitary
confinement cells were full. I saw at least five corridors of cells, each
corridor housing about 75 brothers, totalling over 350 brothers. This was
only in my section: there are other sections to the Centre. I knew just
over
half of these 350 brothers, as I met them in various lands of Jihad. There
was also one corridor specifically for women, where mothers, sisters,
daughters and wives of brothers were housed. It is important to note that
there are NO common criminals in Ar-Ruwais. Ar-Ruwais is a special, secret
interrogation centre/ prison, specifically for 'political prisoners'.
Prince
Naif, the Saudi Interior Minister, continues to deny the existence of
political prisoners in Saudi Arabia.

I spent the first three days in this communal cell, with no problems. After
that my name was called from a list and I was asked to follow the guards.
They took me to a special room, containing many unusual objects: this was
one
of the many torture chambers in the prison. I was joined by two
individuals:
one guard and one interrogator. When I said 'Assalamu-alaikum' to him, he
swore at me and then he came and began to play with my beard, making fun of
it. He was clean-shaven of course.

This interrogator spoke to me for about one hour, during which he said the
following points to me:

"We are stronger and more powerful than you. You are not Mujahideen, you
are
homosexuals, you are dogs, you are women."

"All your affairs are in my hands. If I want, I can kill you, I can order
the
guard to rape you and no-one has power to stop me if I want to do this."

"You came here because you did such-and-such crime and said such-and-such
thing." even though he had no evidence for any accusation.

After this first hour, he left and another interrogator entered the room.
He
was larger and stronger than the first interrogator. He had a large beard,
a
garment that was above his ankles and clear marks of prolonged prostration
on
his forehead. He handcuffed me and began to ask me some questions. For the
next two hours, he continued to ask me the same question, whilst the
soldier
continued to beat me on the soles of my feet with a baton:

"Do you believe that King Fahd is a kafir and that the Saudi Government is
a
government based on kufr?"

By the end of these two hours, my feet were bleeding and had swollen to
twice
their size. My toenails had come off.

They asked this question to all the brothers, so that once the brothers
sign
the paper stating that they believe this, they will pass a fatwa (religious
edict) on them, stating that they are khawaarij (dissidents), who can
lawfully be killed. During these four hours, they said and did the
following
things to me.

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"In Islam, whatever is necessary to establish an obligation, then that
thing
itself becomes an obligation. It is an obligation upon us to protect this
country, so it is permissible (Halal) for us to commit homosexual acts upon
you in order to protect this country. We can rape you now and kill you now.
We are authorised to do so." He then laughed and mentioned the verse in the
Quran, (Surah Ta-Ha (20), Verse 55) jokingly: 'From it we created you, and
into it we will return you^Å' citing his evidence for raping me. It was at
that moment that I vowed to myself that if ever I saw this man outside the
prison, I would kill him and not fear the consequences.

The interrogator then proceeded to read out a list of crimes that I was
supposed to have committed. The soldier continued to beat me to force me to
confess to these crimes, until I shouted to the interrogator:

"BY ALLAH, I did not do those things!"

The interrogator then said to me,

"Allah, leave Him to the side. This is between me and you: it has nothing
to
do with Allah."

He then threatened to rape me and tried to remove my trousers, but I
resisted. Some brothers in the prison were stripped naked. Others saw the
interrogator order the soldier to remove his trousers and underwear as a
means of threatening them. At least one brother I know was actually raped.
Other brothers refuse to speak about this topic, due to their shame and
honour, but there were other brothers who were raped as well.

During the interrogation sessions, the interrogator continued to beat me
with
a baton and a whip, on my face, hands and spine. My body turned black and
red
due to the beating. Six months on, I still have pains in my spine due to
this
beating. They swore at me and cursed my mother.

At other times, I was ordered to stand for hours on end and the soldiers
would beat me if I tried to sit down. I know one Algerian brother who was
forced to stand for three months. He was beaten on the soles of his feet
and
blood was dripping from them. They removed his clothes and inserted a baton
into his rectum.

Another brother had his beard plucked hair by hair until there was not a
single hair left on his face. Other brothers had pins and other sharp
objects
inserted into their private parts. I saw many brothers with signs of
electric
torture on their bodies.

Ar-Ruwais Centre uses three types of electric torture. One is a hand-held
stun gun, another is the size of a car battery and the third is a huge,
sophisticated machine, which was known to the interrogators as
'Cinderella'.
Cinderella is a unit into which the entire body of the victim is inserted.
His arms, legs and waist are tied down with strong straps, whilst electric
current is applied to him. It is electronically controlled and fully
computerised. Some brothers have suffered permanent brain damage as a
result
of torture in this machine.

[Note by Azzam Publications: it is important to

point out that no Muslim country has the technology to produce such a
sophisticated machine. A British company in Selly Oak, Birmingham, UK, is
famous for its custom-made 20ft and 40ft fully-equipped torture chambers,
which are sold to Muslim countries. This point was also debated in
Parliament
by some British MP's.]

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I met Abu Abdur-Rahman As-Sarehi (real name Hassan As-Sarehi) in Ar-Ruwais.
As-Sarehi was one of the most brilliant Mujahideen commanders in the Afghan
Jihad. In Jaaje, 1987, the Mujahideen mounted a daring and spectacular
attack
against a powerful Soviet offensive involving Land and Air power. It was
one
of the most famous battles during the whole war and, due to the high risk
encountered, it was known as the Lion's Den Operation of Afghanistan. Many
notable Mujahideen personalities participated in this operation, such as
Usama bin Ladin, Abu Zubair Al-Madani and Sheikh Tameem Adnani amongst many
others. Sheikh Abdullah Azzam was in the second line of the Front. The
mastermind and commander of this operation was Abu Abdur-Rahman As-Sarehi.
As-Sarehi was the teacher of Ibn-ul-Khattab (the Ameer of the Foreign
Mujahideen in Chechnya) and taught Ibn-ul-Khattab much of what he knew,
from
the time he came to Afghanistan as a young teenager, until he left for
Tajikistan, as a brilliant commander.

After the explosion of the US Army base in Riyadh, the Saudi Government
requested the Pakistani Government to extradite As-Sarehi, as he was living
in Peshawar at the time. They accused As-Sarehi of involvement in this
explosion, though without a shred of evidence. The Pakistani Government
agreed to hand over As-Sarehi to the Saudi Government in return for two of
the topmost Pakistani drug smugglers imprisoned in Saudi Arabia and
awaiting
execution. After four brothers were executed in Saudi Arabia for allegedly
plotting the Riyadh explosion, the Saudi Government should have released
Hassan As-Sarehi, but they continued to detain him. He has now been in
prison
for over three years and the following things have been done to him:

His neck was stretched away from his body so that it is permanently
disabled.
He can no longer turn his neck from side to side. He has been stripped
naked
and made to stand for weeks on end. He was subjected to electric torture
from
all the three types of electric torture equipment, including 'Cinderella'.
He
has been denied visits from his family. His body has become very weak now
and
his face is disfigured, like someone who has undergone severe physical and
mental torture.

In the midst of all this torture, As-Sarehi told his interrogators: "Bring
me
a sheet of paper and I will sign it confessing to every single crime that
you
accuse me of. I killed President Kennedy, I killed King Faisal, I carried
out
the Riyadh and Al-Khobar Explosions, anything you want." His interrogators
replied that that was not good enough; they wanted to know how he done it.
He
replied to them "I am telling you, I did not do these crimes, so how can I
tell you how I did them?"

I saw another brother in prison, Abu Asim Al-Makki (Muhammad Hamdi
Al-Ahdal),
who was famous for his heroic feats in the famous Battle for Tishin,
Bosnia,
in 1992. In this operation, he lost one leg and has been paralysed in one
arm
ever since. Abu Asim, who is already disabled, was beaten with shoes on his
face. The interrogators beat him with baton on his disabled limbs and spat
in
his face. His face also looks like he has undergone severe physical and
mental torture.

Another brother famous for heroic feats in Afghanistan, Abu Ishaq Al-Makki
was in Yemen. Prince Naif (the Saudi Interior Minister) travelled to Yemen
and took this brother back in his own plane. He has been tortured severely
in
prison, stripped naked and beaten.

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One night whilst I was in prison, and the conditions were extremely tough
upon the brothers, I met one of the brothers who saw a dream before
Salat-ul-Fajr one night. He saw the Messenger of Allah (SAWS) and the
Messenger (SAWS) said to him: "Inform the brothers on my behalf, that the
angels are competing amongst themselves in writing down their rewards."
This
dream of the brother brought some relief and encouragement to the rest of
the
brothers. However, we did not say who had this dream, else that brother
would
be tortured for having the dream in the first place.

In Ar-Ruwais, we were not allowed to supplicate to Allah (make dua) with
our
hands outstretched. Perhaps the interrogators knew in the bottom of their
hearts the hadith of the Prophet (SAWS) that "there is no veil between
Allah
and the supplication of the oppressed one." We had to urinate in one litre
bottles infront of the other brothers and attend to other needs in public
as
well.

The interrogators constantly swore at and abused those working for Islam,
amongst the scholars, Mujahideen and callers to Islam. They said that
Sheikhs
Salman Al-Owdah and Safar Al-Hawali (in Al-Hair Prison, Riyadh, since
September 1994) were khawaarij (dissidents) and kafirs (disbelievers).

There was one separate wing of Ar-Ruwais just for women. Here, they would
keep the wives, daughters, mothers and sisters of the brothers. They
brought
the wives of one of the brothers and threatened to rape her unless the
brother confessed to the crimes that they were accusing him of. The brother
duly signed anything they asked him to. One brother escaped the country
before he was arrested, so the Saudi Interior Ministry imprisoned seven
women
members of his family, for eight months, as a ploy to ask the brother to
return. It was common for them to strip brothers naked and make fun of
their
privates. All this is from the country that calls itself Balad-ut-Tawheed
(The Land of Tawheed) and whose ruler calls himself Khadim-ul-Haramain
Ash-Sharifain (The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques).

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The names of some of the torturers at Ar-Ruwais are:

Adnan Filimblaan (he was the worst)

Talib Ad-Dhabbaagh

Al-Qusayfaan (I cannot remember his first name)

Ghazi Al-Judaibi

Al-Zagzoug (he was the Head of Ar-Ruwais Prison, who is known to grovel to
the Interior Minister, Prince Naif)

As a finishing point, the former Egyptian Interior Minister, Zaki Badar,
was
sacked from his post because he was too harsh and inhumane in this torture
methods, and many people died under his custody. The Saudi Interior
Ministry
duly hired him and he helped to organise the various torture methods on the
brothers. He was Prince Naif's personal advisor on how to deal with
Islamists. Praise be to Allah that he died whilst on a recent visit to the
USA.

Since being released, all the brothers have had their passports confiscated
so that they cannot travel abroad. Furthermore, some brothers still suffer
from permanent injuries inflicted on them in Ar-Ruwais. We ask Allah to
release our brothers still inside: Hassan As-Sarehi, Muhammad Hamdi
Al-Ahdal
(Abu Asim Al-Makki), Abu Ishaq Al-Makki, Abu Shaheed Ash-Sharqi and others.

Praise be to Allah, this only makes us stronger, as Allah says in the
Quran:

"Do you really think that you will enter Paradise, until Allah has decided from amongst you, those that make Jihad and those who are patient?" Surah Alai-Imran (3), Verse 142)

A Mujahid Brother

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when brothers torture brothers who blow other brothers up for standing around brothers those brothers dont like, it gets a little confusing which brother I will be asked about on the Day of Judgement.

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Ravage: Which of the Mujahideen here blew up other Believers?

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At-Tawheed,

they are names I cannot pin to an identity, in a land of Jihad they do not specify. As per some people's definition, it is also Jihad to blow oneself up in an Imambargah in Karachi during Jumma prayers.

Amongst the hundreds of Muslims that die at the hands of those who assume the role of Mujahid, surely there must be some who fit your definition of Believer. I realise that you probably dont count me or people like me in that da'ira. So be it. Nevertheless. Amongst the nameless victims that die because of proximity to what you define evil, there are many who dont even fit that bill.

As the biggest exporter of such Mujahids, Saudi Arabia is probably much more lax on them than it should be. Under these circumstances, it is very hard for me to sympathise with such brothers who do fall under their grasp. Doubtless there must be those who are victimised without deserving it. Its just a very sad state of affairs, thats all Im saying, not just for the brother arrested, but also for the brothers that end up splattered on rooftops of mosques owing to the tendencies of the brother our arrested brother used to hang around with.

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Dear Readers,---

Dear Readers ,

I am more than 100% sure that what is written by my brother/sister is true. This is the way they behave in their routine lives.
Read my personal experience regarding witnessing AT-Towheed, as my new thread. My Hajj and my experiences.
Regards Sokoon

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Ravage:

You have generalised.

This article is about some Mujahideen who came back from Afghanistan.

You have no proof that they blew up "innocent" people and blah blah blah.

You just assumed, like many others do - "Oh, maybe they are those who go aorund blowing up innocents, thus the saudi's are justified in torturing and raping them and their women."

The government of Sau'd does not export Mujahideen. It does not suit their masters at the White House anymore. They have been ordered to stamp down on the Mujahideen and as the Taaghot worshipping dogs they are - They have followed and obeyed the commands of their Gods at the White House.

And this article is written by Trustworthy Muslims. Funny how we question the Muslims but never question the Faasiqeen.

If the Sau'di Interior Minister relases a statement saying:

"The Terrorists (Mujahideen) killed children and women. They targetted them on purpose."

This Ministers words are taken as Revelation while the Statements from the Mujahideen are rejected.

Anyway, please don't comment further. I don't have time to waste in replying to you. I already wasted too much time with you on the Ibn Taymiyyah thread, but you proved yourself to be a Liar, who slandered a Scholar and a whole bunch of Muslims, without any Burhan.

May Allaah Guide us and you to that which Pleases Him.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by At-Tawheed: *
Ravage:

You have generalised.

This article is about some Mujahideen who came back from Afghanistan.

You have no proof that they blew up "innocent" people and blah blah blah.

You just assumed, like many others do - "Oh, maybe they are those who go aorund blowing up innocents, thus the saudi's are justified in torturing and raping them and their women."

The government of Sau'd does not export Mujahideen. It does not suit their masters at the White House anymore. They have been ordered to stamp down on the Mujahideen and as the Taaghot worshipping dogs they are - They have followed and obeyed the commands of their Gods at the White House.

And this article is written by Trustworthy Muslims. Funny how we question the Muslims but never question the Faasiqeen.

If the Sau'di Interior Minister relases a statement saying:

"The Terrorists (Mujahideen) killed children and women. They targetted them on purpose."

This Ministers words are taken as Revelation while the Statements from the Mujahideen are rejected.

[/quote]

I generalise, and generalise knowingly. If you're arguing that saudi exports do not have anything to do with bombings in Karachi and Quetta, not even in idealogical motivations, you are either misled or deliberately misleading. AQ or whomever have very established ties with LJ and SSP who have previously admitted to these bombings in statements. Half of the mujahidin caught in Pakistan were surviving under the auspices of these people. Read my post again if you failed to understand my gist.

[quote]

Anyway, please don't comment further. I don't have time to waste in replying to you. I already wasted too much time with you on the Ibn Taymiyyah thread, but you proved yourself to be a Liar, who slandered a Scholar and a whole bunch of Muslims, without any Burhan.

May Allaah Guide us and you to that which Pleases Him.
[/QUOTE]

You who show yourself to be a vocal supporter of Islam, atleast have visible common decency. You complain about wasting your time in the Taymiya thread, when my whole point was: dont waste your time, Im not going to be drawn into a sectarian debate. I gave my opinion, I gave you where you could find both negative and positive sources about him.

It is not a LIE if i hold opinions on ibn taymiya, at most I could be WRONG in them. See the difference there?

Hard as it may be for you to believe, I was one of the most vocal participant in sectarian debates. I doubt their utility now, because in the end it will only make it more likely that someone blow the other up, not less, when regardless of what you believe, we're both Muslims. You have the disadvantage of missing context, respect your lack of knowledge of the other instead of making stupid comments about them.

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Those so called Mujahideen were trying to create fasaad in land. They were blowing up innocent people working in the country.

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At-Tawheed is correct, for the main part.

The abuse by the Saudi government of people who were true Mujahideen began in the late 1980s, when victorious Saudi Mujahideen returned from Afghanistan expecting to be hailed as heros. Instead, they were hunted down, imprisoned without trial, and often tortured.

This was happening in the late 1980s and early 1990s, nearly 10 years before acts of terrorism began taking place in Saudi Arabia.

The reason? The Saudi government feared that the Mujahideen might try to overthrow the morally corrupt and bankrupted government in Riyadh.

May Allah SWT ease the suffering of all those who have been falsely imprisoned in Saudi Arabia, may He deliver them from their captivity, and may He punish those behind the dastardly deed.

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Oh my God!

Why punish the women as well.

So many ways of torture.......horrendous

Allah bachai zalamoun say.

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This news is correct Saudi not only torture mujahideen who fight in afghanistan jihad and elsewhere like bosnia but also any muslims who defend other muslims or have political voice they will torture, maim and kill.

Its not just Saudi you can look at all region including Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, uzbekistan etc they have done so much torture and killings just to silence muslims its really shocking but not surprising knowing the nature of the Regimes in charge!

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[QUOTE]
Originally posted by At-Tawheed: *
Ravage: Which of the *Mujahideen here blew up other Believers?
[/QUOTE]
During the war against USSR there were 15 different political and religious groups and parties with different opinion and thoughts in Afghanistan. They all were working against USSR and were called Mujahideen in media. After completing their project they started fighting among themselves on different issues.(power, land etc). We cant expect this kind of behavior from Mujahideen. This is just an example. You will find many other examples. There were many who were fighting it as a Jihad but there were so many who were fighting it as a war. Its very difficult to differentiate them.

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A very sad display of mental myopia coming from you Ravage…

Please do let us know how many Mujahideen you saw blowing up Imambargahs? At least let us know where you have this information which makes you believe they had a hand in it…

These were and are our sodiers, who left home, country, families, wealth without a care for their well-being, safety or regard for their own lives, all because they answered the call of Jihad to fight against oppressors…Can you at this moment leave your for Allah :swt: on any account?

When they were fighting the Russian occupation forces, they were hailed by the western media as ‘Holy Fighters’…That’s because Russians didn’t have a well laid out media to declare them as ‘terrorists’…

Today, since they are fighting the American occupation forces, they are being hailed as ‘terrorists’…That’s because the western media is touting them as such…And the sad part is, we have donkeys in our midst who believe that…

These selfless soldiers of Allah were fighting without the slightest need for any gain except their reward with Allah :swt:, and how does the tyrannical Saudi regime welcome the noblest and honourable amongst us? By chucking them in torture cells…

No nation has ever borne more people with a selfless sacrificial spirit than Islam, yet it has also produced the most turncoats in the form of mod-Muslim rulers…

Any nation or ideology, that refuses or neglects the sacrifices made by its soldiers and followers, will be a nation that will never produce adherents of substance willing to sacrifice themselves for a belief…

Today, our heroes, that fight the Kuffar without assistance, without reward and sometimes without hope, are touted as troublemakers from within their own camp…

May Allah :swt: aid the Mujahideen wherever they are fighting and and whoever they are fighting against, Ameen…

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Strong words, little relevance.

The trouble is, any organisation I bring to you, you will disregard their ‘jihad’ as not true (assuming ofcourse you dont support to bombing of shia masajid).

What news source would you trust? Amnesty? Human Rights Watch? Do a google on these sites regarding taleban, regarding SSP, regarding Masood Azhar, regarding LJ, LT, LF and shia. Each of these is inextricably linked with AQ, with the same who call themselves mujahidin. Each of these has varying degrees of public acceptance of massacre, ‘jihad’ against shias.

As someone who has personally been impacted by this violence, I know who these people are. I do not need CNN to tell me about who kills the shias.

And let me also tell you this: after the Taleban were routed in Afghanistan, immediately after that, and I was there to witness this: there was an immediate escalation in shia killing in Karachi. Right away. And this was the stated reason of one person who got captured, that if I cannot earn sawab of killing an american, I will earn the sawab of killing a shia. Today it is LJ and SSP who harbor AQ fugitives in Pakistan, those who have a stated aim of killing shias.

Those returning from Jihad today, all of those may not have Muslim blood on their hands, but a lot of them do share the idealogy, proximity, guilt in varying degrees that allows one Muslim to strap a bomb to himself and explode in another’s masjid.

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Saudi Tortures YOUR Brothers

Please check with Jehadi websites and your brother the-Toe-head, they will gladly provide you the references. These butchers just beheaded two innocent Pakistanis, and you need proof!

These butchers left their homes for shear fun of picnic. How many of them got killed by Russians? 50?

These cowards were hiding in Tora Bora feasting on lamb kabobs while Afghans and Pakistanis were kicking Russian A$$.

They want to kill and maim innocents. They can’t fight regular armies. Bunch of nuts claiming to be Allah soldiers. My foot.

Oink BL, and his Egyptian cohorts has been a declared terrorist since 1984. Please do not mix Afghan warriors with these cowards.

American forces are there because these terrorist created anarchy in Afghanistan and the Mideast. Innocent Afghans got duped by these beardos and got totally destroyed. Ask an Afghan what he feels about these brothers and he would show you the way.

These anarchists should be “chucked in torture cells” because they are beheading and bombing innocents in Saudi Arabia and other countries.

It is a shame that people mix these coward-anarchists with brave Afghans. Afghans were the true holy warriors who faced Russian onslaught and lost 2 million+ of their population. Thanks to the logistical support, and training by US and Pakistan, those warriors finally kicked Russians out.

Unfortunately Afghans were still recovering when they were attacked by these hyenas in sheep (read Islamic) clothing. These Islamists brought so much destruction to poor Afghans that you can’t even imagine.

So please save us from your lectures made of selective quotations and religious sounding terms. It is time for you all to repent and ask forgiveness from Pakistani minorities. I hope they may forgive you otherwise you would be standing at the gate of hell along with your coward “brothers” from SA.