Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
Yes. Musharraf only wanted to prove to his masters in Washington that he is not a "BAD GUY" like Iran.
Funny thing is that Saudis actually asked him to offer his services to resolve this crisis, but in case of Iran, they say it is an ARAB issue and non-Arabs like Iran should stay away from it.
This is the height of hypocrisy and subjugation.
No not really.
Because King Abdullah is probably the first intelligent Saudi ruler in a while. And Iran's huff and puff approach in dealing with Israel will only make the Palestinians the losers just like Saddam during the 1st Gulf War allied himself with the Palestinians and in the end the Palestinians ended up being on the losing end.
Iran doesn't care about Palestine they never have. They only care about is promoting themselves as the leaders of the Islamic World and the only way that is possible is to attack Israel and show solidarity with the Palestinians.
Musharraf is interested in promoting Pakistan as a Muslim power capable of dealing with conflicts in the Islamic World.
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
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Right now the dispute is the territory of Israel.
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Why should Israel be a Jewish state if there is no religion involved and if this problem is a nationalist problem?
The basis of existence of Zionist usurpers is religion. Religion is at the heart of this conflict.
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
Why should Israel be a Jewish state if there is no religion involved and if this problem is a nationalist problem?
The basis of existence of Zionist usurpers is religion. Religion is at the heart of this conflict.
Obviously Religion is a part of it but not an end in it self.
The only reason that Arabs attacked in 1948, 67 was that Israelis were Jews.
If they were Shia, Druze, Christian, Hindu or any other religion, the conflict would have long been settled.
Because they are Jews, Arabs cannot comprehend making peace with them.
Israel is a Jewish state because thats the reason it was created.
Just like Lebanon was created in 1943 as a country for Arab Christians, or Jordan as a country for Hashemites in 1946, etc....
But the Crux of the problem was created in 1967.
When Arabs attacked Israel and Israel took over Gaza and West Bank and East Jerusalem.
And thus Israeli withdrawl from Gaza, West Bank and Jersualem is about geography.
Whether Israel will be safe if it withdraws to the 1967 borders. The religious element is only perused by the extremist Jewish population, the settlers who are less than 10% of Israel's population
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
merc:
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Obviously Religion is a part of it but not an end in it self.
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So this is not a plain nationalist issue. Religion is a very big part of it. And as far as Zionists are concerned, it is religion ALONE that they are being welcomed in the Israeli regime. If not religion, there is NO reason why a Russian Jew be coming to live in Middle East.
There is NO nationalism here WHATSOEVER. Plain religion.
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
Can you please help me i coudnt find the word Islamic there, i would really appreciated you efforts if you just help me out.
Coz the thread sounds something and the content present in the link, is different. Thanks in advance.
Turki's statement can be found in the link. The link is good.
As you said, the word "Islamic" can not be found, and this is the point of the thread. In order to please Zionists, Saudis are willing to make a solely ARAB issue.
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
merc:
So this is not a plain nationalist issue. Religion is a very big part of it. And as far as Zionists are concerned, it is religion ALONE that they are being welcomed in the Israeli regime. If not religion, there is NO reason why a Russian Jew be coming to live in Middle East.
There is NO nationalism here WHATSOEVER. Plain religion.
It is Nationalism which is driving the conflict. The creation of Israel is a Religious-Ethnic issue. Its Arab Nationalism which Nasser appealed to when he launched the 1967 War.
But are we debating the creation of Israel which was Religious or the conflicts which followed its creation which are Nationalistic and morphed into Religious.
Those are two different issues.
If a Pakistani can live in New York then a Russian Jew can live in Israel. It depends on the policy of the country.
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
merc:
According to you, nationalism is driving the issue, but why in the first place did this issue was created? Religion or nationalism?
Religion was foundation of the creation of Israel but as it was for many other countries such as Lebanon and Pakistan.
Difference it was Arab Nationalism that started the war in 1948.
Everyone knows creation of Israel was religious issue. But why "ethnic"?
Ethnic because Lebanon was created as a nation of Christians, but because they were arabs, it didnt matter to other Arab countries to try and destroy it.
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
Religion was foundation of the creation of Israel but as it was for many other countries such as Lebanon and Pakistan.
It's not just that religion WAS the foundation of the Zionist regime, religion STILL is at the core of the existence of Israel. There is NO nationalism involved here.
Now the question is: WHY is Palestine so important for Jewish religious zealots?
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Difference it was Arab Nationalism that started the war in 1948.
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Were Arabs right in resorting to nationalism?
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Ethnic because Lebanon was created as a nation of Christians, but because they were arabs, it didnt matter to other Arab countries to try and destroy it.
In case of Israel it did.
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Again, was it ok for some Arabs to consider it an ethnic/nationalist issue?
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
It's not just that religion WAS the foundation of the Zionist regime, religion STILL is at the core of the existence of Israel. There is NO nationalism involved here.
Obviously. Israel, Lebanon and Pakistan are the only countries created on the basis of religion.
Now the question is: WHY is Palestine so important for Jewish religious zealots?
Maybe because the same reason it is also important to Christians and Muslims
Were Arabs right in resorting to nationalism?
The only reason they considered it a nationalist issue was because the Israelis were Jews. Any other religion, they would have been fine with but not Jews.
Again, was it ok for some Arabs to consider it an ethnic/nationalist issue?
Again the only reason they considered it such as such an issue was because of Israelis being Jewish.
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
Well this in context to the Iranian intervention there. Iranians are making arab fight against arab in Palestine. Thats why the Saudi prince gave a warning to Iran not to interfere and let the arab solve the crisis themselves.
The Ayatollahs of Iran pour money to Shia militants in Palestine and make them fight against the Sunni Palestinians.
Iran plays dirty politics eveywhere.
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
what exactly is the problem if it is not a islamic issue and dealt as a pure political issue? may be then that will be one less friction between palastene and israel. it is strange that this comes from saudi but still worth thinking about. remember the moment you call something islamic others see islamist
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
Religion was foundation of the creation of Israel but as it was for many other countries such as Lebanon and Pakistan.
Difference it was Arab Nationalism that started the war in 1948.
Ethnic because Lebanon was created as a nation of Christians, but because they were arabs, it didnt matter to other Arab countries to try and destroy it.
In case of Israel it did.
M2k
for the first time i feel like your discussion are more intelligent and realistic and i'm giving you reputation too:)
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
^^ That is irrelevant.
When Israel took over Jerusalem, did the Islamic World pledge to liberate Jerusalem from Israeli control ?
The fact is that Israelis have done a much better job in maintaining the Haram-al-Sharif than the Arabs.
Arabs destroyed the Rachel's Tomb, defaced the Church where Christ was born, blew up the Blue Mosque in Samarra, took over the Kabaa, etc...
The fact is that Arabs cannot be trusted to administer a site that is important to Jews, Christians and Muslims.
And besides when Arabs were running Jerusalem, they barred Jews and Christians from visiting the Temple Mount. And still the site is administered by an Arab Family and not Israel.