Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue

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hskhan:

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Palestine could be blown to smithereens tomorrow and it'd mean absolutely nothing for any country beyond Lebanon, Israel, Jordan or Syria.
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Do you know that Palestine has Islam's third holiest mosque?

I give this issue importance not because it is about Palestinians or Arabs, but because it is about Islam.
Forget Saudis, not even Palestinians have the right to call it a solely Palestinian issue.

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Hmmm...so elections and democracy are validated only when it leads to secularism...thank you for defining fascism...

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Its Islam's 3rd Holiest shrine, Christian most holiest place and Judaism most holiest places are also located here.

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^ hmm, so ... what's the point?

My point was that no one has the right to call this issue an Arab/Pal issue. It is an Islamic issue.

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^^

how is it an Islamic Issue when other religions also have holy sites there as well?

It has and always will be a geographical issue in the arab world

It was morphed into an Islamic issue by arabs who want external support against Israel

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Time back, Price Turki was chief of Saudi intelligence and in connivance with ISI helped launch the Al-Qaueda. Later USA found about it. And now to save his ass, he is toeing American line on this issue.

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how is it an Islamic Issue when other religions also have holy sites there as well?

It has and always will be a geographical issue in the arab world
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The two statements of yours are contradictory.

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^^ how so?

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didn't musharaf offer to be a peace broker there? I think this is to put him in his place. Who wants these brownies interefering when they can have bush and condi to help

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In your mind, is it a religious issue or a nationalist issue?

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It is a geographical problem which became a nationalist issue and to keep the conflict going the arabs have made it into a religious issue.

But let me tell you something.

The only reason, the ONLY reason that this conflict continues to fester is due to Arab Racism towards Jews.

If Israelis were of any other religion be it Shia, Druze, Christian, Buddhist, or Hindu instead of Jews, Arabs would have long ago made peace with Israel.

But because they are Jewish, they find it incomprehensible to make peace with a nation of pigs and monkeys.

Thats why it took Egypt 4 Wars to recognize Israel or PLO more than 25 years to accept Israel's right to exist or Hamas might take another 10 years before it recognizes Israel.

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Let me get it straight.
Are you saying that it is a nationalist issue, and nothing religious about it?

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yup, in its core is a geogrpahical issue

but it became a nationalist issue then morphed into a religious issue

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Then why is Israel a Jewish state?

When I mentioned Quds, why did you say that it is holy to Jews too?

If it is nationalist issue then what are American/European Jews doing in Middle East?

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^^ Well Jews had been in the Middle East for a lot longer

Your basic premise that every single Jew who lives in the Middle East moved there is wrong.

20% of Palestine's population was Jewish when the 1st census was done in 1890 or something.

Jews from Europe did move to Palestine but they settled in areas which had a Jewish Majority such as Tel Aviv and thus did not geographically expand into areas which had a Palestinian majority.

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I asked a very simple question. The answer is yes or no.
If this issue in its core is "geographical issue", as you say, then why is Israel a Jewish state?

Some more.
If this is a nationalistic issue then why is Israeli immigration open for a Jew from anywhere in the world, based on his religion?

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Yes. Musharraf only wanted to prove to his masters in Washington that he is not a "BAD GUY" like Iran.
Funny thing is that Saudis actually asked him to offer his services to resolve this crisis, but in case of Iran, they say it is an ARAB issue and non-Arabs like Iran should stay away from it.
This is the height of hypocrisy and subjugation.

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Pakistan under Musharraf has been making secret deals with Israel all along. There have been secret contacts between Israel and Pakistan since long, but relations between the two have never been better when Musharraf came along.

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Pakistan was founded by Quaid, who never supported theocracy. Yet he knew the religious importance of this issue.

http://www.dialognow.org/node/view/1229

Dennis Kux, in his book, The United States and
Pakistan 1947-2000: Disenchanted Allies, points out that, in the struggle for Pakistan, the Muslim League demonstrated solidarity with Muslim countries and Muslim causes and

“Jinnah had frequently criticized Western policy toward Palestine” to the point that, in 1948, Pakistan’s foreign Minister Zafraullah Khan “became the acknowledged spokesperson for the Arab cause at the United Nations.”

More than a decade earlier, in 1937, the All-India Muslim League had adopted a resolution warning the British Government that if it failed “to alter its present pro-Jewish policy in Palestine, the Mussalmans of India, in consonance with the rest of the Islamic world, will look upon Britain as the enemy of Islam and shall be forced to adopt all necessary measures according to the dictates of their faith.”

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Again you are misplacing the concept.

Right now the dispute is the territory of Israel. Should Israel be in West Bank and East Jerusalem.

That is a geographical issue and after 60 years of conflict that is what it has boiled down to. And thus it is a geographical issue.

Some Arabs want to destroy Israel and thus becomes a Nationalist issue. But some recruit other muslims and thus becomes a Religious issue.

But at its very core its a geographical issue.

Israel can open its immigration to anyone it wishes. Just like Israel cannot dictate policy to Pakistan and Pakistan cannot dictate policy to Israel.

Its their country and they can do as they wish.