Why is Saudi Arabia talking in nationalistic tones?
Saudis are asking all non-Arab muslims to stop their INTERFERENCE in Palestine. But aren’t they the same people who encouraged naive Musharraf to offer his services to help resolve this issue with Israel?
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The Palestinian issue serves to justify their own thrones -- its in the interest of the arab oildoms to not resolve this issue, something which the naive Pakistanis never understood. And yes its always been an arab issue, much to the contrary what some idiotic Pakistani mullah would say. So let the Arab shmucks do whatever they want to, Pakistan should stay out of their mess and normalise relations with Israel.
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I have to understand te contect better, is he referring to influence of lets say iran, or is he talking about Europe and US etc. I have my guess, but the article itself is not very clear
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Good slap in Mush's face trying to be all statesman like offering his services to the Arabs and Israelis for mediation when he is in no position to do so and his neutrality, being a CIA asset, in question...
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I think he was referring to Iran in the article. Yesterday there was an article from an Iranian diplomat stating that the Arab peace plans were flawed and bound to fail.
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
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Those arabs who are inclined to think the Palestinian issue is an Islamic one also do recognize the Kashmir issue as one.
Problem is, the Arab governments do not take that line. Fine. The Pakistani government should follow suit, and completely ignore the issue altogether. Pretend like it doesn't exist.
There is no sense in rewarding Arab nationalism. The past century has already shown how much of a disaster it was...we don't even want to be close to that sinking ship.
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^^ But what benefit is to Pakistan to be involoved in other people's conflicts when those people don't give a damn to Pakistan?
Yasser Arafat and PLO had better relations with India than Pakistan
Iran has better relations with India than Pakistan even though India is one of the largest purchaser of Arms from Israel.
Why the double standard?
Simply because India's economy is larger and thus its more beneficial for Arab and Islamic countries to have better relations with India than Pakistan and they over look India's actions in Gujrat or Kashmir.
Just look at Hamas going to Russia but this is the same Russia which has killed 250,000 Muslims in Chechenya in the last 10 years.
So why must Pakistan act like the Palestinian issue is more important to Pakistan than Pakistan's well being?
Why shouldn't Pakistan recognize Israel like India did ?
I mean what benefit does Pakistan receive from not doing this?
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I mean what benefit does Pakistan receive from not doing this?
The same benefit they receive for not actively pursuing OBL or stopping cross border raids into Afghanistan or holding elections for democratic and secular rule - to appease the radical Islamists within Pakistan.
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The reasons Saudi made the above comments is to remove countries like Iran applying pressure via proxy. Iran is Persian not Arabian. The other reason is if it was made into an Islamic problem, well you people like Al-Qaeda hijacking the situation. Contry to belief most Palestinian groups are nationalistic (PLP, PFLP, Fatah and more) rather than based around the concept of Islamic supremacy. Hamas is a mixture of both ideals i.e. religion to meet nationalistic goals. Whereas Islamic Jihad (IJ) is more closer to philosophy of AQ
Re: Saudi Prince Turki says that Pal issue is an Arab issue, not Islamic issue
^^ But what benefit is to Pakistan to be involoved in other people's conflicts when those people don't give a damn to Pakistan?
Yasser Arafat and PLO had better relations with India than Pakistan
Iran has better relations with India than Pakistan even though India is one of the largest purchaser of Arms from Israel.
Why the double standard?
Simply because India's economy is larger and thus its more beneficial for Arab and Islamic countries to have better relations with India than Pakistan and they over look India's actions in Gujrat or Kashmir.
Just look at Hamas going to Russia but this is the same Russia which has killed 250,000 Muslims in Chechenya in the last 10 years.
So why must Pakistan act like the Palestinian issue is more important to Pakistan than Pakistan's well being?
Why shouldn't Pakistan recognize Israel like India did ?
I mean what benefit does Pakistan receive from not doing this?
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I mean what benefit does Pakistan receive from not doing this?
Well, for one, if any state wants to display unity with Pakistan, then that's a good thing. We can't fault Pakistan for trying to pursue this.
Others are the problem, not Pakistan. If that's how others want to play, then fine. We did our best...move on.
Sure, let's start talks with Israel, and get all we can. Usurp as much tech as we can, but the ultimate goal should be self-empowerment without compromising any of our ideological goals. We should refrain from throwing fits when others don't wanna "play" with us. When the little boys see we're one of the adults...they will flock to us. If they don't want to listen to a peer, then they will obey their superior. Whomever wants to join us, bless 'em and welcome them.....
Neither good, nor bad...it's just how it is. We should learn from this and move on. Of course, we have a very long way to go.
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pakistan is very very much central to the defence of saudi arabia. this statement was only ever directed to iran. now that israellis have rejected musharrafs offer, i wouldnt expect for pakistan to be linked to resolving this issue again for some time. musharrafs effort was weasly in the first place, whereas irans effort is more pushing and letting the israellis know THIS ISSUE MUST BE RESOLVED! although its a unilateral push by iran, arabs are scared of the potential consequences as israel will harm them all.
arabs havent got what it takes to sort this issue and thats where we find a common denominator. all sides are happy if this remains an american/european/israelli/arab issue.
btw if its not a whole ummah concern, then why is it an arab concern? israellis are good people who will take care of palistinians. surely its just a palistinians concern. they are the ones who mess things up in the first place, right? they are the ones throwing the racks dont forget.
sarcasm over, its ironic but i think the palistinians will be stronger without arab help or interference! the camels of arabia would have done a better job of resolving the palistinian issue.
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pakistan is very very much central to the defence of saudi arabia. this statement was only ever directed to iran.
One can not be selective when he says that Palestinian issue is an ARAB issue alone. Both Iranians AND Pakistanis are non-Arabs.
I believe that Saudis themselves know that it is NOT merely an Arab issue, rather an Islamic issue. But by saying this they are trying to look "good" in front of their masters, the Americans.
Palestinian issue would have been an Arab issue IF Baitul Muqaddas was not there, IF Prophet had not visited it at the time of Mairaj, IF Muslims had not prayed with their faces towards it.
To call Palestine an ARAB-specific issue is like calling Islam an ARAB-specific religion.
In his zeal to look good in the eyes of Americans and Israelis, looks like Turki did not give enough thought to the consequences of such an statement.
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^we can
should we wish to
advantages:
US approval
potential Israelli and US agreements for the sale of 'mediocre arms' to pakistan
easing of any anti pak development policies
less potential for aggravation of US/pak relations
disadvantages:
being on israelli side of the palestinian conflict
unlikely to gain longterm help on any major issue
suspicion/major dislike throughout the muslim world inc pakistan itself
admission of the fact that we are ---ts
potentially, dependent on circumstances, could lead to a violent overthrow of government
current policy of pak government is ok considering all the variables. perhaps covert aiding of iranian efforts maybe the only way for a brighter longterm future depending on what the government believes with regards to israelli intentions for resolution.
resolution is a must, the earlier the better.
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Obviously it's nationalistic. The religious argument has always been a ploy to amass religious fanatics. Thailand does it. Indonesia does it. Pakistan does it. Say you support Palestinian "brothers in Islam" and all your religious yahoos will behave for a week.
Turki's announcement begs the questions : what obligation/interest does Pakistan have in Palestine? Why the affinity towards anything and everything Palestinian?
Palestine could be blown to smithereens tomorrow and it'd mean absolutely nothing for any country beyond Lebanon, Israel, Jordan or Syria.