Re: Saudi Arabian Birthday Celebrations
Mufti Sara_87:
Making Du'a is part of 'ibada. Moving a dangerous item off the street for safety is part of your 'ibada. Working regularly in your life to please Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala, no matter what it may be, is part of your 'ibada. Maybe it is you who needs to brush up on your understanding of what 'ibada is.
You haven't seen anything, using Pakistan as an excuse to legitamize KSA? I challenge you to go and actually find out the truth instead of telling me stuff based on what you have seen or not seen. Go and actually FIND OUT why don't you instead of giving me your diatribe? If you are so certain that these things do not happen.
What have the Saudi's done for Pakistan?? Bankrolled Jamat-e-Islami and the rest of those followers of Mawdudi??
Financed and giving power to Zia ul-Haqq during his iron grip rule during which Wahabbism was allowed to spread rampantly throughout Pakistan?
armughal and Mufti Sara:
You talk about Politics having nothing to do with religion. So now you believe in separation of religion from the state? Are you trying to mimic and copy the West with "separation of church and state"? Is that your way of informing everyone that you support democracies??
What garbage. Go and study the history of the Khulafa ar-Rashidin, and then tell me if politics has anything to do with religion. Only an ignoramous of Islam could say something like that. Politics had everything to do with the life and mission of rasul-Allah (saws). He (saws) and his khulafa ar-rashidin who succeeded his leadership, ruled as political and religious leaders. So don't give me that nonsense. Modern mentality of people such as yourselves brings me disgust. try studying the history of the last 1427 years, and tell me if you have any sense, if politics has anything to do with Islam.
And speaking of general Zia, go read about Black September in the 1970's when General Zia, commanding Pakistani soldiers stationed in Jordan, massacred tens of thousands of Palestinians because they were supposedly attempting to overthrow the Jordanian government.
Here is a comment by General Zia in 1981:
“Pakistan is like Israel, an ideological state. Take out the Judaism from Israel and it will fall like a house of cards. Take Islam out of Pakistan and make it a secular state; it would collapse.”
armughal, are you suffering from arab nationalism and turkaphobia? You speak of Turks having slaves, well so did the arabs. So what's your point smart guy?
Muhammad Ali Jinnah (Rahimuhullah) ALWAYS supported the Palestinian cause.
When the wrong leader is in power over Muslims, he abuses Islam and exploits it to serve other selfish purposes, such as the dictator mentioned above. Your attempt at trying to say that I suffer from arabophobia or something is quite funny, because I am speaking on behalf of historical events. You Mr. armughal, are speaking on behalf of arab nationalism, not the Muslim nation. That is where the arab revolt against the ottomans has its roots, because they could not handle the fact that Turks ruled over them, and it seems that neither can you that is why you have used the excuse of harsh treatment by the Ottomans to defend the Saudi rebellion against them, and their joining forces with kaafir ZIONISTS and the dirty British spies like T.E. Lawrence - to which you STILL have no answered to.
Politics has everything to do with this deen. The type of politics of Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with Islam - it has to do with Saudi nationalism.