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well if you are referring to me bro then no i didnt say u made up lies i simply i asked for verification.
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After reading the following article, I will showcase to you the double standards when it comes to forbidding the Mawlid of Rasul-Allah (saws), yet allowing wild activity for a New Years Celebration??? That makes a lot of sense.
Here is another great festivity in the Kingdom that is “cultural” right? Uh huh, once again, i’m sure it is:
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=75634&d=2&m=1&y=2006
New Year’s Attracts Revelry in Jeddah
Hasan Hatrash, Arab News JEDDAH, 2 January 2006 — It was Saturday night fever at many of the New Year’s parties organized at Jeddah compounds. Demand was so high that some ticket prices reached SR500.
But the walled-in residential communities weren’t the only ones quietly celebrating a holiday recognized widely around the world, but not so common in Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom only recognizes three holidays: the two Eids and the National Day on Sept. 23.
Still, many cafes, restaurants and beach resorts had their own way of ringing in the new Gregorian year. Cafes hosting New Year’s events were charging covers for entry. Arab News found one that was asking SR200 per head.
A cafe in Rawdah district managed to attract customers to its celebration program by hosting a star from the Arabian version of “Star Academy”. The cafe was still fully crowded hours into 2006.
Another cafe on Tahliah Street organized a show featuring local bands, giving away free non-alcoholic drinks when the digital wall clock struck midnight.
Jeddah’s Corniche was also packed with families who preferred to have their own types of simple revelry. Many just took their CD players and sat on the beach until well past midnight. Other Jeddawis were launching fireworks in different parts of the city at midnight.
Islam Farouq, a Jordanian professional, said that New Year’s celebrations in Jeddah are getting better every year.
“It is true they are mostly done privately, but they are becoming more popular and exciting,” he said.
In years to come, Farouq predicted that the concept of celebrating New Year’s would become even more popular in Jeddah.
Ameer Tashkandi, a Saudi in his mid-20s, said that he spent New Year’s Eve at home watching movies, but felt the energy outside.
“I was hearing loud music in neighboring houses till four in the morning,” he said.
Ahmad Khouja, a Saudi guitarist in his early 20s, said he spent the night at one of the seaside chalets: “It was a blast,” he said. “I played guitar all night and it felt like a New Year celebration.”
Indeed, perhaps it was.
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^ practices of some individuals dont account for a general rule....
some saudis spend their weekends drinking and fornicating in the hotels of bahrain....
u dont generalize that over to all saudis and their mullahs....
and if u do, it means that u might have crossed 40 but still not matured intellectually.... :p
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Yeah even though the fact remains that the government is allowing such haraam things to enter into the two holy cities, even though this is not an issue about applying it to the people, but rather the point is in regards to the business and governmental rule of the kingdom of saud, not the people who live there anyways.
People will always behave in regards to the rules their leaders implement upon them, depending on if their decisions are good or bad is how the people will become and adhere to such a system, especially when they are claiming to be an Islamic state. I have family that lives in Saudi, so it's not even about generalizations about people. So your comments aren't in related to the subject at hand.
Shaykh Maliki al-Alawi (May Allah bless him) was one such great Sunni scholar of recent times who a while back passed away. He lived in al-Hijaz so the point is that I am not even generalizing over all Saudis, it rather the society that is developing amongst many in the nation that is making such people deteriorate into performing such wrong actions.
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Sultan e Madina
Do arabs affix some religious significanse with these celeberations.?
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madina... u started this thread off to say that Saudis DO practice milad e nabwi and other religious stuff that outsiders think is banned in KSA.... now uve gone into completely cultural stuff, which really was not even worth the topic cuz there is no issue there since cultural festivals have never been banned in KSA.... are u just tryin to keep the thread going? cuz ure main topic has been taken care of by other guppies telling u that religious festivals (holidays - cept eid) just dont exist in KSA ...tho phir yeh nayi kahani kiu.. bout cultural festivals etc... ????
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Obviously you still have no clue what I said in the beginning.
So you’re telling me that you can practice whatever cultural festivals you want, and think that they have nothing to do with your religion? Don’t forget that everything you do in your life has to do with your religion, your belief in Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala. You cannot go and celebrate any type of cultural event without making sure that it is within teh boundaries of Islam. I am pretty sure that praising your King who conspired with British invaders against his own Muslim brothers of the Ottoman Empire, is not within the boundaries of Islam. He disobeyed the Amir, the Caliph, and became a rebel and worked with non-Muslims to defeat his own muslim brothers - and you call this celebration, “National Day” as being cultural knowing all of that? 
There are various other events that go on in KSA…
You think that celebrating and praising King Abdul-Aziz is cultural only, celebrating a man who has been dead for decades, and celebrating him because he established the Saudi family monarchy in Arabia, to which betrayal against their muslims brothers occured??
And you think you can just sweep it under the carpet under the guise of cultural. Sorry you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Majority of Muslims in the world celebrate Mawlid un-Nabi. It doesn’t matter if you disagree with it, you may if you wish, it’s a praiseworthy act and has been accepted as such by the most well known Ulema for centuries on before the Wahhabi movement ever began or existed, and continues on to this day even through their deceptions. Nice try though.
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Am i on your ignore list Sulatnooo :(
PLease answer my munna sa question
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I just answered it. They are revering their dead King who established their Kingdom, who betrayed the commander of the faithful, the Ottoman Sultan. Betrayal of the Khalifa when one is there, is going against your faith. This is a part of Shari'ah, and is commanded to us in teh Qur'an, as we are supposed to obey those in authority over us. So now you tell me if it is "religious" or "irreligious"?
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khawateen,
It’s pretty obvious you are denying the facts. Commemorating a birthday of any significant day immediately has religious connotations, whether you accept it or deny it, that will remain a fact.
It’s funny how you are going to such lengths to defend these Mawluds of other events in Saudi Arabia under the guise of just being cultural, yet you will kick and shout at the mention of Mawlid un-Nabi. But mawlid of KSA is okay for you? Mawlid of ibn Wahhab is okay? Mawlid of the Centenery established by King Abdul Aziz is okay?
Sure it is…:nono3:
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from where did u get “revering” that u put in here???
u really believed that the Sultan of ottoman empire deserved the title u put for him here???
stop backing ur ideas with lies…
u talk of maturity and urself bring in such things that r not fit even for a high school discussion…
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The Saudiz have done bigger damage to the Ummah than the biddatiz all around the world. Masonic roots are much more deeper than we think. Let them come up with the next fitna and completely perish us to the ashes. Or we wake up and f'k this barelvi, wahabi, devbandi zillat and rise as one nation despite of having biddatiz and extreme mowahideen under the same roof.
Can we?
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Majority of the Muslims in world have astrayed from Islam too, that means that Islam is no more a valid religion? Majority of Muslims have put Quran in background/shelves, that should also become acceptable if your criteria is "majority"?
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Mr. Captain,
I am talking about an extra act above and beyond. Not a neglecting act. Look at what you're comparing.
armughal,
Firstly, take your arrogance elsewhere, maybe then I will respond back to you in a civil matter.
Anyone who defends the kingdom of saudi arabia over the ottoman sultanate that was in place for over 800 years is pathetic and very brainwashed. For a person to deny the historic validity of islamic empires and at the same time shows leniency towards a masonic kingdom, as brother smooth guy has just said, says a lot about someone. They, the Saudis, are a$$ lickers of the West. As long as Muslims allow them to get away with that while they control al-Hijaz, the longer Muslims will be kept down and lowly all over the world. So, What does that make a person who defends them!?
I say we kill two birds with one stone. Get the Muslims in the World to take their oil and both Saudis and the West will disappear simultaneously. How pathetic, a nation that has no other worthy tradeable items other than oil?
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YSM: Neither this Kingdom nor the so-called-caliphate that ended in 1900s was close-enough to be called "Islamic". Its sad that you consider the "sultanate" as Islamic.
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What do you call and Islamic Empire then, you believe in democracy or something? Or do you believe in nothing?
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^ the saudi kingdom is wrong as a form of government according to Islamic terms, but the ottoman empire was no way even close to Islam....
atleast the saudis have implemented shariah law in the kingdom....
if the king of saudi arabia assumes the title of khalifa, u'll start calling it an islamic empire too????
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Implementation of Shariah :D What a joke!!!
You call this danday bardaar opressing governece Sharia. This cosmetic implementation on the street is hypocracy. I can go on to show their hypocratic rules, and freehand to the elites. Calling other non-arabs miskeen is a disgrace to the teaching of Islam. The question is not whether Sultanate was Shariah complaint or not, but atleast it was not selling Ummah to jews and christians, in the name of Islam and purist form of Islam.
The damage this kingdom has done to Islam is immense and the effects will last for centuries.
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ar_mughal:
At least the Uthmani Sultan had a Shura in which consultation was made by all the states. They had governors and the people accepted and respected them for providing them with protection. They had policies such as the Jizya for non-Muslims and not disgusting abuse of the Shari'ah which you claim is correct.
what were you thinking???
Just like our beloved messenger (saws) said, that after him will be his khulafa ar-rashidin, then Kings, and then Tyrants. Today's so-called leaders in the Muslim world, including those in the KSA, are not KINGS, they are liars. They are nothing but tyrants.
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^ come out of the dreams....
there was a reason arabs helped the british to get rid of the turks....
injustic was high and no longer tolerable....
this is the first time i am hearing from u that someone considered ottoman empire as a government based on Islamic principles....