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^ the verse says nothing about mental maturity, infact it talks of physical strength....
needless to say that all the rest of the conclusions u have brought forward tat it talks about reliigious understanding and all r nowhere mentioned in the verse itself....
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Okay, if that's what you think, let me give you a tafsir regarding this ayat's history by a Muffassir since you are so certain that this ayat refers only to physical strength even though there is no indication whatsoever that is limited to that scope. This is very disturbing to see personal interpretations of verses from the Qur'an to cause controversy, la hawla wa la quwwuta illah billahil aliyil azim.
Here are you are, oh doubtful one:
Tafsir al-Jalalayn on Surah Ahqaf, ayat 15:
And We have enjoined man to be kind (husnan: a variant reading has ihsānan), that is to say, We have commanded him to act kindly towards both of them (thus ihsānan is in the accusative as a verbal noun, because of the implied verbal action; the same applies to husnan) to his parents. His mother carries him in travail, and gives birth to him in travail, that is to say, with suffering; and his gestation and his weaning, from suckling, take thirty months, six months being the minimum period for gestation, the remainder being the maximum period of suckling; it is also said that, regardless of whether she bore him for six or nine months, she should suckle him for the remainder. So that (hattā is a [particle of] purpose for an implied sentence, that is to say, wa-'āsha hattā, 'and he lived on so that …') when he is mature - namely, at his prime in terms of his strength, intellect and reasoning, the minimum [age] for which is thirty or thirty three years - and reaches forty years - that is, exactly [forty years], which is the maximum for [attaining] maturity **- he says, 'My Lord! - [this] to the end [of this verse] was revealed regarding Abū Bakr al-Siddīq, when he had reached forty years of age, two years after the [beginning of the] Prophet's Mission (s). **He [Abū Bakr] believed in him, whereafter his parents believed [in the Prophet], followed by his son 'Abd al-Rahmān, then 'Abd al-Rahmān's son Abū 'Atīq [Muhammad b. 'Abd al-Rahmān]. Inspire me to give thanks for Your favour with which You have favoured me and my parents - namely, [the grace of] affirming [God's] Oneness - and that I may act righteously in a way that will please You - thus he [Abū Bakr] emancipated nine believers who had been enduring torture [at the hands of the idolaters] for [their belief in] God - and invest my seed with righteousness - all of them were believers. Indeed I repent to You and I am truly of those who submit [to You]'.
This ayat clearly was revealed during the above mentioned incident regarding Sayyidina Abu Bakr as-Sadiq (ra), and does NOT restrict itself to physical strength alone, as it has clear indication towards having belief in teh nubuwwat or Rasul-Allah (saws).
I don't know how many times to say this, but again I will, this is exactly why I never try to understand the Qur'an based solely and primarily on my own understanding - it is extremely dangerous and untraditional of the way islamic knowledge is taught!
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^ u really believe that abu bakr (ra) accepted Islam two years after the Prophet(saw) attained prophethood????
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You clearly mis-read the tafsir.
It states that Sayyidina Abu Bakr as-Siddiq (ra), was two years younger than Sayyidina Ahmed ar-Rasul-Allah (saws), it does not state that it took him 2 years to accept islam…
it says that after 2 years of Sayyidina Rasul-Allah’s (saws) mission, this ayat was revealed in relation to Sayyidina Abu Bakr as-Siddiq (ra).
Insha’Allah if you have any other questions about what I believe, please read what I posted properly first. Jazak-Allah khair.
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wow! for A bro who has studied that much yr very good at making assumptions arent you. is that what they taught u there?? to make assumptions and speak down to others?? u dnt know my age neither do you know who i have studied under or am currently studying under so please refrain from making childish comments. dont worry il email the uni and ask them direct.
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^ bhai merya, why do u stick to one tafseer, some mufassireen say that the verse was revealed concerning saad bin abi waqas and yet most of them believe that it was revealed as a general thing....
and if u want my view, 40 here is nothing more than an example....
does not mean that every person matures at 40, some do earlier, some dont even at twice that age....
just like not all babies feed on their mother's milk for 2 years, some stop quite at an early stage....
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Oh yes, you will enjoy checking Faisal al-Salafi, I am sure you will be pleased with what you discover from Al-Azhar ash-Sharif and when you contact the Saudi embassy in your locality. Don’t say I didn’t tell you so. 
From the scholars whom you have referenced before, it is quite obvious that they revere al-Albani - which speaks for itself.
brother armughal, it’s pretty clear to me that you have changed your understanding of this ayat, after what I presented before you, as you started off by saying that it only refers to physical maturity only, whereas the truth is that it clearly is not limited to that. Now you say that it is just an example and nothing more. The age of 40 is significant and a sign of maturity, whether you want to believe it or not. This ayat is applied towards many aspects of Islamic law, that is understood already. This doesn’t need any further explanation…
And just for your information, all the major Ambiya (alaiyhimis-salaam) who came with laws obtained nubuwwat at 40 as well. It is most definetely a stage of reaching maturity.
Yes this ayat is definitely related to Abu Bakr as-Sadiq (ra) who was a very rich Sahabi and he used his wealth and gave it all for Islam and whatever Rasul-Allah (saws) requested him of it, that is exactly how he freed those slaves as described in the Tafsir. You may look up Imam Qurtubi, Imam Alusi, Imam ibn Kathir’s tafsirs and see that it does.
But you already know that I rely upon one tafsir right? That’s great but it’s just your assumption anyways.
Some other time gentlemen, I’ve made myself clear here.
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23rd September is the national day of Saudi Arabia.
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other than Muhammad (saw) i’ve heard of no other prophet who obtained nubuwwat at this age…
please enlighten me with some names…
tafseer jalalayn says that the verse refers to abu bakr (ra), and i told u before there r others (tabari for example, who thinks its for saad bin waqas) and then the majority who say its a general verse without any special references…
ibn-e-kathir does not (if i recall properly) mention abu bakr (ra) in his meaning for this verse…
i still hold my view, 40 is just an example, and even if its not, it refers to physical maturity…
what Islam laws r connected with this verse (or 40 years of age) i have no idea…
just what one false claimer of prophethood, rashad khalifa, who took this verse and age mentioned within it to derive the bulooghat is attained at 40 so one is exempted from prayers, fasting, hajj, zakat etc before 40 and he may do what he wishes for before this age he/she r not answerable for their deeds…
plz enlighten me also with some Islamic laws that r connected with this verse…
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looking at this link - Saudi Embassy UK - only official holidays listed are for both Eids.
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Here is another source for you to help you out:
http://www.saudinf.com/main/h15.htm
** Jenadriyah Heritage and Cultural Festival**
The annual Jenadriyah Heritage and Cultural Festival, organized by the [National Guard](http://www.saudinf.com/main/b4714.htm) under the command of the [Crown Prince](http://www.saudinf.com/main/b471.htm), plays a crucial role in preserving the Kingdom's national heritage. The festival begins with a traditional camel race and is intended to embrace all aspects of Saudi Arabian traditions and culture.
A feature of the festival is the performance of traditional music by musicians from all over the Kingdom and national dances, including the Ardha, by folklore troupes.
The festival runs for two weeks each year and is attended by more than one million Saudi citizens.
King Fahd is patron of the Festival.
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u r obviously mixing up culture and religion here....
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the festival is purely cultural .. read for ureself.. it even says so in ure OWN post...
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the point here is lets say for arguements sake that they do do these celebrations then they are WRONG! and the fact is that MANY of the Saudi Ulema are two faced when it comes to matter of aqeedah i.e They go on abt TAwheed all the time but reject the Tawheed of Allaah(swt's) Hukm. They speak out against other people countries but they loved King Fahd!
They bang on abt not allying with the west but the govt has become a puppet of the west.
they are a dangeroug people and that is why the scholars i refer to sometimes are imprisoned by the saudis and also other rulers.
What some brothers need to realise is that Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhaab is free from this and he would have rebelled against these lot. also when we mention Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhaab they should not associate us with the saudis.
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its still wrong bcos some of the ulema of saudi condemn these culture events but one must rmbr many ulema have tried to tell the govt and give them naseeha but it has resulted in imprisonment or torture.
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Here is another one of their events centennial celebration of the rule of Saudi Arabia’s first king, King Abdul Aziz bin Abdul Rahman al-Sa’ud:
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/990128/1999012828.html
**Saudi Arabia continues celebration of its centenary anniversary
***Saudi Arabia, Culture, 1/28/1999 *
Saudi Arabia is continuing its celebrations of the 100th anniversary of its foundation by King Abdul Aziz Bin Abdul Rahman al-Saud in 1902.
Saudi King Fahd Bin Abdul Aziz marked the beginning of the celebrations on Friday by inaugurating King Abdul Aziz historical center. On Sunday King Fahd attended an air parade carried out by 160 Saudi warplanes.
On Tuesday, the Saudi crown prince Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz attended a military exercise carried out by the national guard in Saudi Arabia.
On Tuesday night, the Saudi minister of defense held an inspection of several Saudi military zones where he offered congratulations on Eid al-Fitr.
Within this course Syrian President Hafez al-Assad on Wednesday sent a cable of congratulations to King Fahd Bin Abdul Aziz and to the Saudi crown prince Abdul Aziz, congratulating them on the 100th anniversary of the foundation of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
In his cable, al-Assad “expressed congratulations and best wishes to King Fahd and Prince Abdullah and to the brotherly people of Saudi Arabia.”
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I don't have any problem with cultural events. My concern is that they are celebrating and commemorating 100 years of independence from the Uthmani Sultanate, their own Muslim brother, whom they rebelled against with the help of a British agent namely T.E. Lawrence, aka "Lawrence of Arabia" whom they also praise and admire. They cannot remember their own prophet in Madinah, but they can remember their dead king who before and during his reign, gave all the support he could possibly give to the enemies of Muslims, so that they could carve out the Muslim countries into seperate nations and fragments????
WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE CELEBRATING? Yet you can still sit there and let them get away with it by saying it's cultural. Shame on you.
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**Saudi Arabia continues celebrations of its foundation anniversary
***Saudi Arabia, Culture, 1/25/1999 *
Saudi King Fahd Bin Abdul Aziz who is also the higher commander of the Saudi armed forces on Sunday attended an air and parachuting parade, performed by the Saudi armed forces on the occasion of the one hundredth anniversary of the foundation of Saudi Arabia, at the headquarters Sager al-Jazira Museum for aviation in Riyadh.
The air parade showed flying formations of Saudi Air Force, consisting of 160 warplanes of various types. The air parade was preceded by parachuting performances carried out by Saudi parachutists.
Earlier in the day, Saudi Crown Prince, Deputy Prime Minister and chairman of the National Guard Prince Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz opened the Saqer al- Jazira Museum for aviation, which was established by the Saudi minister of defense and aviation at al-Riyadh air base on the occasion of celebrating the 100th anniversary of Saudi Arabia’s foundation.
The museum includes planes, equipment, panels and photos telling the story of aviation in Saudi Arabia since its foundation by King Abdul Aziz al- Saud since 1344 Hijra year until now.
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/990125/1999012514.html
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**Saudi Arabia celebrates its foundation’s centenary
***Saudi Arabia, Politics, 1/23/1999 *
Saudi Arabia started on Friday its officials and people’s celebrations on the one hundredth anniversary of its foundation by King Abdul Aziz al-Saud. The Kingdom marked the inauguration of its centenary with a reception ceremony under the patronage of King Fahd bin Abdul Aziz on Friday.
During the ceremony, orders of merit were awarded to the “pioneers” who escorted King Abdul Aziz in entering the city of Riyadh in 1902. The order of merit was invested to children or grandchildren of those “pioneers.”
King Abdul Aziz Center was also inaugurated on this occasion. It includes several utilities which show the march of progress in the kingdom.
During the one-week celebration of the Kingdom’s foundation anniversary, the national festival for heritage and culture and the conference of Saudi Arabia in one hundred years are running. The conference comprises lectures and researches to be presented by Arab and foreign intellectuals and researchers tackling various aspects of Saudi Arabia history.
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/990123/1999012345.html
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Sounds very cultural to me…sure sure…
They are only honouring the first Saudi king because he established their kingdom for them, nothing big…
Just keep in mind how some of you accused me of making up lies…you know who you are.
Ya Rasul-Allah! As-Salaatu Wa as-Salaamu 'Alaiyk, Alaiyka ya Shafi’i-Allah
