Croquet - my central point is that before anyone asks Saudi Arabia to invest 'more' in Pakistan, they should ask the govt of Pakistan itself to stop wasting resources on covert support to terrorism (such as strategic depth in Afghanistan through taleban, cross border crimes in Kashmir through mujahideen, double-side play by Musharaf in the WOT etc). If you are wasting your own resources on these unholy pursuits, what right to you have to ask another country to aid you more?
hmm now we are going off topic. I dont care for that much. Political study would do wonders for some of us here. Saudi pak relations are important and should remain so. Cheers.
when you have more contradictions in the few lines of your little post than holes in swiss cheese, obviously you will be called on those. Too bad you can't handle it
And the proof of your utter incompetency is that you could not understand English, could not even answer my direct questions, became irritated, and resorted to childish statement. Very amusing indeed.
Your not responding to questions I asked proofs;
Indians are taking interest in it because they are trying to say:
1- Dekho Hum Ne kuch Nahin Kia.
2- They deeply wish to create divide between Pakistan and KSA.
^ that is simply your opinion or theory. I know a lot of people who know about places they don't live in. In fact there are many cases where peopel don't or can't see the reality of where they're living in because they're too close to it.
So it's always wise to argue the message rather than try vainly to discredit the messenger based on who they are, where they live etc.
Rather it is based on experience. Knowing about places, is very different from understanding the realities on the ground, the root causes of the conflict and the impact of foriegn "experts" who come in.
An example for those "many cases where people don't see what is going on due to being too close"? Back up your comments with facts. I know I can. The reason I ask is because the practice of the DPKO and NATO forces on the ground in conflict areas follow a completely different practice.
The national staff who works in these environs are our strongest assets because they understand the situations far more intricately than foriegners sitting comfy in the west do.
And the proof of your utter incompetency is that you could not understand English, could not even answer my direct questions, became irritated, and resorted to childish statement. Very amusing indeed.
Your not responding to questions I asked proofs;
Indians are taking interest in it because they are trying to say:
1- Dekho Hum Ne kuch Nahin Kia.
2- They deeply wish to create divide between Pakistan and KSA.
diwana - I've detailed your self-contradictiosn in#25. Go read that, understand it, fix your thoughts and when you have coherent thought, let me know. If that comes out as a question I will provide an answer to a reasonable extent. Till then, please don't continute this exhibition of your ignorance, for your own sake.
Rather it is based on experience. Knowing about places, is very different from understanding the realities on the ground, the root causes of the conflict and the impact of foriegn "experts" who come in.
An example for those "many cases where people don't see what is going on due to being too close"? Back up your comments with facts. I know I can. The reason I ask is because the practice of the DPKO and NATO forces on the ground in conflict areas follow a completely different practice.
The national staff who works in these environs are our strongest assets because they understand the situations far more intricately than foriegners sitting comfy in the west do.
don't know why you find it difficult to agree on the 'too close to see the facts". When you live in a strife torn place you cannot be objective about the strife. For example, the youth in taleban infested areas join them in spite of seeing the damage cause by the taleban - wheras from a distant others could see the true nature of things.
Locals can provide facts and data - that doesn't translate to objective analysis and understanding.
Because unlike you I speak from experience. 17 months now in the worst location in Darfur with the UN. I have seen first hand how efficient local staff "close to the conflict" have been. They have helped us out of many tricky situation.
The beauty of those who live in the West is that they think they know better. When they come to field, they get eaten alive by those who have more experience and are less on stupid talk. Your comments hold no water in conflict situations. The reason being is that you take it from a view point of a khawaja. You have no experience in these matters so your opinion is irrelevant.
But lets just do a litmus test. Lets try your media based knowledge about Darfur vs my on the ground knowledge of Darfur. Lets see who has a better understanding and grasp of the matters?
^ you just proved my point. Being local to a conflict gives you facts and details. It does very little to solve or better understand the problem. the solution for darfur is NOT going to come from within there. It has to originate from afar with people like you supplying facts and data to people like me to analyze, strategize, fund and orchestrate.
Sandu is an indian troll. Simple as that. If only there was an option to ignore posters.
And you are a Buddha MQM Bhattakhor- someone frustrated in his late 30s to early 40s I guess- not capable of anything but accusing others of being Indian and enjoying short-lived online pleasure- get a life! Stop talking with chhotey kids on the forum, Child Molester(which is what your nick CM stands for)
diwana - I've detailed your self-contradictiosn in#25. Go read that, understand it, fix your thoughts and when you have coherent thought, let me know. If that comes out as a question I will provide an answer to a reasonable extent. Till then, please don't continute this exhibition of your ignorance, for your own sake.
Ban!
I have given you an answer immediately in post # 26.
Do you want me to 'explain' that too? lol
Stop acting like a child who keep saying 'what? What? to every answer. :-)
Thanks for proving once again what I said why Indians taking so much interest in this thread.
And you are a Buddha MQM Bhattakhor- someone frustrated in his late 30s to early 40s I guess- not capable of anything but accusing others of being Indian and enjoying short-lived online pleasure- get a life! Stop talking with chhotey kids on the forum, Child Molester(which is what your nick CM stands for)
CM chachu kithay jaayein? Halley Guantanamo Bay tay band ho ria nay. Old age ich onou old age ich daakhila(entry) mil jayega. He is celebrating a decade (1999-2009) of posting crap on the forum. Browsers changed in these 10 years, even internet did but sadly saadey Chachu Moron de khyal ich koi change nahin aaya. sad afsos.
^ you just proved my point. Being local to a conflict gives you facts and details. It does very little to solve or better understand the problem. the solution for darfur is NOT going to come from within there. It has to originate from afar with people like you supplying facts and data to people like me to analyze, strategize, fund and orchestrate.
Wow. You really have no clue what you are talking about do you. What do you think the DDDC is? The JMST? You know that the Darfuri people have traditional mechanisms that are for more advanced in conflict resolution than that of the models brought in? So much so that the UN is now supporting local methods over the ones provided by western experts?
But I am getting ahead of myself. A simple question. On what do you base this assumption that being close to a conflic does "little to solve or better understand the problem"? Because your second sentence contradicts your third.
I would like real concrete examples not smoke blown out of your ass.
Hypothetically, Allah maaf karey but if there's a war between Pakistan and Saudi, most of the Pakistanis would fight on the side of the Saudis, only the minorities and shia would fight for Pakistan.
It is a pathetic statement. Every Pakistani will fight for Pakistan and send them packing along with traitors like you. These are the same cowards who couldnt face Iraq and sub contracted their war to other countries to come and fight for them. Saudi Arabia is a holy land, Saudis are not. Their support for terrorists in Paksitan is despicable to say the least.
Wow. You really have no clue what you are talking about do you. What do you think the DDDC is? The JMST? You know that the Darfuri people have traditional mechanisms that are for more advanced in conflict resolution than that of the models brought in? So much so that the UN is now supporting local methods over the ones provided by western experts?
But I am getting ahead of myself. A simple question. On what do you base this assumption that being close to a conflic does "little to solve or better understand the problem"? Because your second sentence contradicts your third.
I would like real concrete examples not smoke blown out of your ass.
We have seen where the great 'local methods of conflict resolution' have taken them. And since when has UN supporting some method makes it the best? UN is just trying things out.
WHat do I base what I said? It is called strategic management 101 that objectivity is better achieved from a distance than from within. For example the entire concept of 3rd party arbitration works because of that.
LMAO. How do you think JEM was invited to Qatar eh? Traditional mechanisms. Wow. You really don't know anything you are talking about do you. Not a single concrete example. Just more statements based on no truth just your personal opinion.
Business is not politics more specifically it is not conflict resolution. A two year old knows that. Again I ask for concrete examples. You have yet to provide any.
