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Hummm....intersting thought you brought just to argue.
'Suicide bombing' is not islamic and not promoted in islamic scripture........will that be enough or you want to argue further?
I think I asked someone to bring the qoute from islamic scripture promoting suicide......the person is somewhere here...but lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We may send an expedition for that person.......:)
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'Suicide bombing' is not islamic and not promoted in islamic scripture........will that be enough or you want to argue further?
I think I asked someone to bring the qoute from islamic scripture promoting suicide......the person is somewhere here...but lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We may send an expedition for that person.......:)
Agreed that its not Islamic... and I also believe so, since chances of a religion supporting killing are less...
Now with many of Mullahs sitting in Mosques and exhorting people for Jehad and violence......... So if somebody calls them "Mentally ill retards"...Than you are in agreement... Since what they are saying is anyway against religion and they are saying it sitting on the seat of religion..........
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1- The topic is Sati-the horrible crime against humanity.
2- Discussion about those 'yogis' was not related to the topic of sati either as women who are praised/encouraged/admired....... to lose their lives for unjustified reason are no way 'yogis'.
3- Ever heard of movie 'water'?
4- Handful Mullahs are not commiting suicide for whatever reason so they may be anything but not mentally ill like 'yogi' examples above. I am not saying 'yogis' definitely are mentally ill.but there is a possibility and one should not discard this so we may be able to help many sick people.
5- Word 'retard' is added by you. Glad to see your hype!:)
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Good, Since you discussed Yogis topic since it suited you, despite not being part of the thread. Lets discuss this one as well…
<< Handful Mullahs are not commiting suicide for whatever reason so they may be anything but not mentally ill like ‘yogi’ examples above. I am not saying ‘yogis’ definitely are mentally ill.but there is a possibility and one should not discard this so we may be able to help many sick people.>>
I am also not saying all Mullahs are sick…
So you are trying to be specific not as usual of side stepping the issue. let me repeat again..
" If a Mullah, sitting in seat of religion in mosque, exhorts Muslims to Jehad and kill innocent people" Than Will you call him..
“Mentally ill retard” …
Can I be more specific… :halo:
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^Nope. That makes him anything but.......mentally ill or 'retarded'. Mullah is NOT commiting suicide! Can I be more specific here??
Moreover if he is asking to do Jihad against evil temptations, stopping evil person to hurt someone or ask someone to allow bad desire take over one's mind, he certainly is not mentally ill or 'retarded'. He is actually acting as the savier of humanity.
You just don't know Jihad has a good meanings in Islam that is encouraged and promoted.
Now that your question been answered lets go back to Sati.
Is there any reason you keep adding the word retard?
Or is there any reason you did not answer question # 3 in post 83?
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deedawar....my post 63 does answer. I clearly said in this yuga it is not applicable. I am against it even if it is mentioned in any scripture. By the way sati also has good meaning in hinduism. It means a women who is very chaste or very pure. More pure than fire. Why fire is considered pure because it burns or destroys anything whether it is good or bad. Do you know sita?....she had proove her purity by entering into pyre. and also, those women who commit sati are not 'yogis'. i never said that. please read carefully whatever i had written. Anyway, all possible reasons or explanations have been given by us. Besides we ourselves dont know much. Why do you want to proceed?. Hindus are against such practices 'now'. barring a few cases like this. it is sad that it has happened in this 21 century. Moreover, it is also sad that women were always at the receiving end when compared to men.
I dont know about movie 'water'. But i do know that it is with regard to women or widows living in varanasi or something. i dont know. It is more about their living conditions i guess. I hope any negativities that are there in hinduism are resolved or reformed. now just leave it. nobody is going to gain anything from this discussion. Moreover, i am not running away. I have my exams next week.
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The question was directed to Rahul who had completely different view compared to yours. Good luck with exams.
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Rahul, I am happy that you learnt the lesson. There's no point in discussing with people so full of hate (no offence meant deedawar), they do not want to discuss but just argue. That's the reason why I stepped out of the thread as soon as I saw him coming in. ssingh, my honest advice to you, do not waste invaluable hours of yours on discussions with these kind of people, you might think that you'll be able to explain your stand by discussion but it never happens.
And the thing that I hate the most about these people is not their hatred for others, but the hypocrisy which they show in putting up their view. I respect a suicide bomber much much more than a hypocrite, atleast he had the balls to do what he believed in, even though suicide is not preached in his religion.
I think that's enough, I really do not want to spend my time writing on this.
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Believing in barbaric ritual and being adamant on it is worse than anything.
Hope you are not really the one who would encourage these women losing lives for nothing. Its the 'hate' against these helpless women which these kind of people promote and have no remorse for it let alone be upset when pointed out about it.
Why so emotional if its according to these people its not in religion?
Are we suppose to be glad seeing human buring alive?
There is a reason why aurengzeb banned this ritual.....(freedom to kill women) and this is one of the reason hindus hate Aurengzeb.
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thanx for the advise.
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'Suicide bombing' is not islamic and not promoted in islamic scripture........will that be enough or you want to argue further?
I think I asked someone to bring the qoute from islamic scripture promoting suicide......the person is somewhere here...but lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We may send an expedition for that person.......:)
Tell that to the talibans and to the muslims across the globe who blow themselves up with a slightest of provocation.
Deedawar nobody here is justifying Sati. Sati is banned in India. But if somebody who was overcome by grief commit it then it should be treated as suicide.
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Everywhere in the world muslims denounce what you are talking about-in case you missed that.
Suicide is un-islamic and not promoted in islam.
You are telling this to wrong person. I am not the one who is supporting suicide by any means......but people here are. they even supported Japanese..so perhaps they may support others too!!
Now....stick to Sati topic.
Hummm........did you read many posts praising or honoring and saying anything but condemning the act. Moreover many reasons given to explain why its not such a horrible crime against these women to encourage them directly or indirectly. Please read the thread before making blatant remarks that no one is justifying this act. If not then how else would someone really justify it?
I will repeat what has been said so far in its support/favor by people :
Women who commit it are honorable/respectable.
Women have freedom to choose.......so why should it be condemned.....we just have to stay away from telling these women not to do it.
Its to avoid so called humiliation from muslim army or christian brutality.
Its similar to achieveing 'yogi' state-religious people.
Men are not supposed to do it since there might be an issue of being bread winner.....!! (Poor non-bread winning women deserve it? )
'Someone said I would support or condemn sati in certain circumstances'...
etc. etc.
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Sati and people who are giving excuses for it being acceptable even remotely.
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Stick to Sati topic.
Hummm........did you read many posts praising or honoring and saying anything but condemning the act. Moreover many reasons given to explain why its not such a horrible crime against these women to encourage them directly or indirectly. Please read the thread before making blatant remarks that no one is justifying this act. If not then how else would someone really justify it? I will repeat what has been said so far in its support/favor by people :
Women who commit it are honorable/respectable. Women have freedom to choose.......so why should it be condemned.....we just have to stay away from telling these women not to do it. Its to avoid so called humiliation from muslim army or christian brutality. Its similar to achieveing 'yogi' state-religious people. Men are not supposed to do it since there might be an issue of being bread winner.....!! (Poor non-bread winning women deserve it? ) 'Someone said I would support or condemn sati in certain circumstances'... etc. etc.
You go and read my post very clearly. I very clearly differentiated everything. I didn't favour it.
Besides, you tell that you hate hinduism and hindus. Just boldly make that statement. and just move. your sole intention is to malign hinduism. Tell that boldly, openly. i am perfectly alright with it. say that.
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Besides, you tell that you hate hinduism and hindus. Just boldly make that statement. and just move. your sole intention is to malign hinduism. Tell that boldly, openly. i am perfectly alright with it. say that.
And what makes you so sure its hinduism to let these women die like that?
OR
Being against these rituals is hatred against hinduism?
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where the heck i said this?
Being against these rituals is hatred against hinduism?
Being against these rituals is not against hinduism. we have clearly said...indian government has banned it. whatever reform has to done has been done and will bring about all the changes that are necessary. we hindus are reforming ourselves barring a few cases like this.
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By accusing me of anti-hiduism or hindus while I am merely talking against this act of Sati. Was that a difficult question for you to understand?
Its a part of hinduism literature though but I have only talked about Sati without saying against hinduism as your and many other posts implied I was supposedly against hinduism.
Would you think a person is against the whole resturant if the person complains or talks critically of a dish served by the resturant?
This part of your post concur with my position. One must be thankful to Aurengzeb for doing the same thing..at least banning Sati. Right?
So one must not go around in circles providing excuses for it, mentioning age of the person, calling it honorable etc. or blaming muslims/christians for any such horrible acts. Agreed?
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very much...dont blame me for this. if you too were in my position, you too would have felt the same. go and look back from the beginning, you will only understand. Besides, this is not some other issue...right?.
one of the very first philosophies of vedas..."dont take everything literally whatever that is written". there could be many interpretations. besides, in puranas, i think sati has been mentioned. I am not denying it. As, i said earlier, we reject it in this yuga.For more details, look my earlier posts.
no....thanx that you let us know this
i commend aurengzeb for this. i have the strength to accept this.
So one must not go around in circles providing excuses for it, mentioning age of the person, calling it honorable etc. or blaming muslims/christians for any such horrible acts. Agreed?
yes....if we hindus put all or the whole part of our faults on others, it is wrong. But, you should also know, "there is no smoke without fire". Do not reply for this. Just think over it, eventhough other faiths had nothing to do with sati. No doubt, this ritual is hindus creation. It may not be directly related to this topic. "I have no problem in agreeing that islam or any other faith has it's own positive effects on india". I hope i have given, a very balanced answer.
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one of the very first philosophies of vedas..."dont take everything literally whatever that is written". there could be many interpretations. besides, in puranas, i think sati has been mentioned. I am not denying it. As, i said earlier, we reject it in this yuga.For more details, look my earlier posts.
no....thanx that you let us know this
i commend aurengzeb for this. i have the strength to accept this.
yes....if we hindus put all or the whole part of our faults on others, it is wrong. But, you should also know, "there is no smoke without fire". Do not reply for this. Just think over it, eventhough other faiths had nothing to do with sati. No doubt, this ritual is hindus creation. It may not be directly related to this topic. "I have no problem in agreeing that islam or any other faith has it's own positive effects on india". I hope i have given, a very balanced answer.
Yes. I have no big difference with you on this matter reading through your last few posts. Its up to mods if they want to keep this thread on or someone has to say more from either side including therad starter.
You asked me not to respond to smoke and fire comment I will only say without detail that I disagree if the comment is related to Sati...