Re: Sajda.....
[quote="Zero_one, post:114, topic:268753"]
Staying with cricket:
Well Mathew Hayden (Australia) used to make the cross after achieving a milestone ..... Mohammad Yousaf aka Yousaf Youhana (Pakistan) did it quite regularly ..... Dilhara Fernando (Sri Lanka) does so even though he plays rarely these days, a few other SL players ..... i remember AB de Villiers giving a passage/verse of the Bible during the post match presentation (talking about belief) after they chased a mammoth 414 against Aussies at the WACA in 2008 i think ..... Darren Sammy is another example who every now and then takes a reference to Bible or Jesus AS ..... Sachin Tendulkar looks/points up to the sky and says a few words when he reaches a milestone which could be interpreted as a religious gesture]
and i can come up with 100 more similar examples but they don't make any difference to the discussion...these are isolated examples of few individuals .. mohsin khan did sajda when he scored 200 in Lords...and it was awesome....... no one has a problem with that. ..but there was no policy issue or an agenda.
*I am making a different point altogether....give me one single example of a national team who represents its country and yet exhibits religiosity on a collective basis to drive an agenda. *
And that is exactly what Pakistani team is doing for last 7 years. Waqar did that, inzi did that..yoyo did that, misbah did that, afridi did that, and now hafeez is doing it...so obviously it is not a coincidence. It is a policy issue not an individual act...and yes every playing eleven from Pakistan did that since early 2002 ... by peer pressure or by choice, who knows.
No other national team does that in any other sports. Please don’t give individual examples...is dhoni doing it as an indian skipper or are other indian players doing it in every match for last 10 years? Are Aussies doing it? is every aussie skipper doing it for last 10 years? Come on...don’t deviate from the real point.
And not sure how many times I have to repeat this...the moment you put the Pakistani uniform on, you have only one obligation and that is to your country. It is not personal anymore.... and it becomes far far more important when you do it on a collective basis ....you are representing your country and as a team you have decided to follow a certain religious path...how come it is personal? I*t has consequence to team’s harmony and pakistan’s brand.*..it is not personal...we have minorities in Pakistan.....what message are you giving to them? what message are you giving to minority players in the team?
So please don’t tell me what a certain player did in NFL or elsewhere...give me an example when the USA team did this on a regular basis and on a collective basis... let me know when a saudi team did that or a Bangladeshi team did that....on a collective basis...for years! So no more individual examples please.....
and let me be clear...it does not matter if they are moral or amoral... absolutely does not matter...even if they are angles, i will still have the same point. They are using Pakistan platform to drive an agenda and give a certain label to my country's brand and disturb team's harmony....it will absolutely disturb team's dressing room....
I mentioned their character just to indicate hypocrisy. But that point has no impact on this discussion. I cannot judge them anyway and stand corrected on that point.
