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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
*Muslaman:
now some Hindus might interpret your reading as if being Hindu is a Curse from Allah. *
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Why don't you interpret on behalf of Hindus and enlighten me as to how does my writing imply that "being Hindu is a curse from Allah", also kindly make sure you do not follow your whims while you answer my question.
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Originally posted by astrosfan:
blasphemy
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HOW?
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Originally posted by Musalman:
** the word “blasphemy” means a “contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity”
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These are your words. If a Hindu believes Shiva to be either a sacred entity, or God, then by saying Shiva is a not a God, Islam blasphemes the Hindu.
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Originally posted by astrosfan:
*If a Hindu believes Shiva to be either a sacred entity, or God, then by saying Shiva is a not a God, Islam blasphemes the Hindu. *
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Read the meaning of the word “blasphemy” one more time it means “a contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity”
Islam as a DEEN / Ideology cannot act, utter or write any thing. It is the followers of Islam that can act, utter or write something which could be contemptuous or profane. Therefore your statement “Islam blasphemes the Hindu” is fundamentally flawed.
Now lets say that as a Muslim / follower of Islam I made the statement that “Islam reject Shiva as a god”. Even then there is no blasphemy involved here ONLY rejection, my statement “Islam reject "Shiva" as a god” simply means that Islam as a DEEN negates the notion that “Shiva” is a being to be worshipped. Therefore it is my belief as a Muslim that I should not consider Shiva as a god. I simply rejected to consider Shiva as a being worthy of worship. This is part of my belief system. Just like you reject ALLAH as part of your belief system. There is absolutely no question of any kind of blasphemy involved here the world is full of different belief systems, people’s belief systems reject each other’s gods, but not every body attack specific personalities of other's belief system like Mardood Rushde had done.
that is some amazing spin.
Islam can "write", as there is a written book that defines Islam.
P.S. - I don't reject Allah, necessarily. I feel Allah, like Shiva, Vishnu, Yahweh, etc, are all different ways of viewing reality. It is not the belief system of Hinduism to reject all other view points. Instead, it is to incorporate as many belief systems as possible that can lead to an ultimate speculation of the truth. Take what is good, reject what is bad, and move forward.
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Originally posted by astrosfan:
Take what is good, reject what is bad, and move forward.
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u see...islam doesnt follow that "form".
ISLAM TEACHES US A WAY TO LEAD OUR LIVES.
we've been given the rules, it is our choice to follow or not....we dont add/subtract rulz and regulations as we feel the need (excluding some of our sects which perform bid'ah).
what good is the VALDITY of a religion, if you can add/subtract (or in ur words, take and reject) for generations and generations?
what good is the VALDITY of a religion, if you can add/subtract (or in ur words, take and reject) for generations and generations?
It leads to more understanding of the unknown. Nobody has seen God, eastern religions try to define God and try to find him. There are more than one path to reach God and all paths are equally valid. All human beings are created by God therefore nobody is better than the other. By saying my way is the only way you are putting down other people's ways of reaching God.
as a way of life - times change, people change, so laws can change. If you want a fixed set of laws, there are plenty of dharma shastras that can give them to you. Manu smrti is but one example - however, a way of life does not define religion. Logic and speculation go hand in hand in philosophy, and as more cultures are studied, as more people argue and critique, we can move closer to understanding what is true.
The reality is that as culture progresses, what made sense in the past may no longer make sense in the present or the future. For example, the Mahabharata helps to example dharma by showcasing a land dispute between cousins. Such a story makes sense in an agrarian society dominated by family inheritance. However, as our culture changes, that story may not be as salient, and so parables and logic structures from other cultures can be incorporated to give a different that makes more sense.
Muslims do it all the time when they say science is revealed in the Koran 1400 years ago - they take the specifics that science reveals now, and fit it to generalizations that were made then. Note I am not saying this is invalid, but just that as our cultures and understanding change, so too must we incorporate more about different viewpoints.
All the fatwa ,religous laws are not applicable in non muslim countries .So it is defenitely not an international laws subject to extradition & interpol coalition where all world police collaborate in ENFORCING it.I am sure any Fatwa like that of even Aya tollah is given as a token of protest & given the history ,it in facts is some guarantee for the moulana ,that it wont be carried outlike in case of Rashdie ,that it is no more than a token.Hence untill the world becomes totally muslim ,YOU GUYS STOP TALIKG OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT OR HARSHER TREATMENT.Think of it --has anyone suffered gravely for sayiong against islam that they would not have suffered in any case of making fool of your self by making stupid slander against any religion,Simple as that.
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Originally posted by Rani:
It leads to more understanding of the unknown. Nobody has seen God, eastern religions try to define God and try to find him. There are more than one path to reach God and all paths are equally valid. All human beings are created by God therefore nobody is better than the other. By saying my way is the only way you are putting down other people's ways of reaching God.
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the fastest spreading religion in teh world today is ISLAM...those who want to seek...find.
if islam was putting down other pplz ways of reaching God,,,its rate of conversion would have been very low.
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Originally posted by astrosfan:
**as a way of life - times change, people change, so laws can change. If you want a fixed set of laws, there are plenty of dharma shastras that can give them to you. Manu smrti is but one example - however, a way of life does not define religion. Logic and speculation go hand in hand in philosophy, and as more cultures are studied, as more people argue and critique, we can move closer to understanding what is true.
The reality is that as culture progresses, what made sense in the past may no longer make sense in the present or the future. For example, the Mahabharata helps to example dharma by showcasing a land dispute between cousins. Such a story makes sense in an agrarian society dominated by family inheritance. However, as our culture changes, that story may not be as salient, and so parables and logic structures from other cultures can be incorporated to give a different that makes more sense.
Muslims do it all the time when they say science is revealed in the Koran 1400 years ago - they take the specifics that science reveals now, and fit it to generalizations that were made then. Note I am not saying this is invalid, but just that as our cultures and understanding change, so too must we incorporate more about different viewpoints.**
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yes but we RELATE...we dont ADD OR SUBTRACT
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It's not how fast you were GOING, It's how fast you STOPPED!**
So? Any Hindu worth his salt is able to relate any old and new to what was said in the Vedas, Upanishads, or Gita. I can relate Islam to those texts, I can relate Christianity to those texts, I can relate Baha'i to those texts.
P.S. - I was watching Dateline NBC (I think) this past week, and they said that Mormon is the fastest growing religion in U.S. freaky.
if islam was putting down other pplz ways of reaching God,,,its rate of conversion would have been very low.
Read the messages on this forum proclaiming superiority of Islam over other religions backed by verses from Quran.
Most of the conversions are taking place among blacks, mostly when they are in prisons .. Mullahs are taking advantage of a person when he/she is feeling very low and weak.
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Originally posted by astrosfan:
So? Any Hindu worth his salt is able to relate any old and new to what was said in the Vedas, Upanishads, or Gita. I can relate Islam to those texts
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Certainly, you will find that all your scriptures will ultimately point to Islam, the true way of life for the mankind.
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Originally posted by Rani:
***if islam was putting down other pplz ways of reaching God,,,its rate of conversion would have been very low.*
Read the messages on this forum proclaiming superiority of Islam over other religions backed by verses from Quran.
Most of the conversions are taking place among blacks, mostly when they are in prisons .. Mullahs are taking advantage of a person when he/she is feeling very low and weak.**
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so how much of the total percentage does that make up? (even if it does)
3%? 5%?
oh and how can we forget the christian missionaries in russia?...plz..islam doesnt allow muslims to drop that low.
look around the world...look at north america...
have you ever talked to a convert???
they dont just convert b/c they feel like it!
They RESEARCH, and at teh end, realizing ISLAM is teh truth,,,they convert.
astro, mormon in the US??..not really shocking since its the US.
actually, our scriptures find that Muhammed was like a raja yogi, but a failed one, since his brushes with the divine led him into fits of rage, tormenting him and bringing about sometimes absurd revelations. Since he was not trained in the raja yoga arts by a guru, he was unable to describe what he saw, leaving us with the sometimes good, sometimes bad Koran.
But, I wouldn't want to "blaspheme", now would I?
again the validity of such religions rise, doesnt it?
it's validity depends upon where you stand. Either Islam is the seal of religions, or it is a watered-down version of ultimate truths that cannot be explained.
When asked to describe the truth simply, the Buddha was silent, signifying that words simply cannot explain the infinite. The first chapter of the Tao Te Ching contains "The Tao that can be spoken of is not the true Tao". The Upanishads are attempts (snapshots) of how the various rishis tried to explain their enlightened experiences. The Koran is but another of these explanations. Notice how often you must say to yourself "At the end, it is up to Allah to decide". For the speculating Hindu, such a statement is not good enough.
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Originally posted by astrosfan:
**it's validity depends upon where you stand. Either Islam is the seal of religions, or it is a watered-down version of ultimate truths that cannot be explained.
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Islam was Divinely reveled as mercy for the mankind. It is the Ultimate Truth. You will simply not find any thing that cannot be answered in the light of Islam. The question for you is will you accept the TRUTH?
No. So I'm going to hell, right? Sucks to be me, huh?
So, why, in the "light of Islam" does someone who does not accept the TRUTH automatically go to hell? What is so important about this TRUTH? Why is Allah so unmerciful that he requires understanding of the TRUTH, or he will throw you in hellfire?