well, there goes that whole "image in the west" topic.
Let people like Rushdie write. if there is no truth in what he is saying all of it will fall by the wayside <<<
Rani, Rushdie never claimed his work to be the “truth”. Satanic Verses is “Fiction”. Let me know when you finish reading it. I put it down after 3 chapters, because I found it very heavy. I do like his writing style though.
Muslaman. How many of those 1 billion actually “read” that book, or how many actually “can” read and write? It is just another way of keeping those in the dark who are dying to learn. If it is not for land and resources, the “killers” always find some “reason” to “kill” – in this case, it just happen to be Blasphemy. Ever occurred to you that Quran is full of Blasphemy towards people of other faith. By your logic, everyone who reads Quran should be beheaded.
NYAhmedi, I can understand that your opinion on this subject is biased, because unfortunately your own kin had been meted the kind of treatment in Pakistan which does not confirm to Islamic Justice. I maintain my position that Rushdi deserve death for his actions. In order to maintain peace between Islamic world and all others it should be understood that Muslims would not be judged by anybody’s standards but only by Islamic Standards.
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not having read the satanic verses, yet - exactly what did Rushdie write that was so blasphemous?
If I'm not mistaken, there really were two satanic verses that Muhammed did initially think were from Gabriel, but later on he realized that they were from the devil. (correct me if I'm wrong here).
What was it that Rushdie wrote that was so blasphemous that it requires beheading? After all, plenty of people say that there is no Allah, and Muhammed is not his prophet, yet there are no specific fatwas against them.
Just curious.
Musalman
Ever occurred to you that Quran is full of Blasphemy towards people of other faith. By your logic, everyone who reads Quran should be beheaded.
I agree with NYA, without becoming personal can you tell us what do you think of 'Quran' writing against other people and their religions.
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Originally posted by Rani:
**Musalman
Ever occurred to you that Quran is full of Blasphemy towards people of other faith. By your logic, everyone who reads Quran should be beheaded.
I agree with NYA, without becoming personal can you tell us what do you think of 'Quran' writing against other people and their religions.**
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According to the American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000 the word “blasphemy” means a “contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity”
Kindly show me where and how does the divinely reveled Quran blasphemies?
Read the Verses regarding "idols" and "idol worshipers" in Quran and their precribed treatment. Idols are holy and scared to Hindus.
I will post the verses if you want but they have been posted many times on this forum.
Rani Post the verses, I like to see how you interpret them to be blasphemous, i.e. truly confirm to the real meaning of blasphemy.
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**I am reading his most recent work “The Ground Beneath Her Feet”. So far so good.
Whoever believes that his he should be killed for what he wrote, should learn to read. **
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Religion is the farmost important thing that holds value in a true muslim's life. Religion is nothing sacrificing...ISLAM as a religion just tells us how to lead our life on earth.
now if someone comes out of the blue (being a former muslim) and re writed history of the last person who brought down the religion, it is in the HUMAN NATURE to rebel.
If the fatwa is lifted, humans around the world will realize that there are only TEMPORARY consequenses to writing such literary peices....ending up in more books like the SATANIC VERSES....
oh and by the way, even if it is FICTION, i dont think you'd live a day writing a FICTION peice on JESUS likeso of the satanic verses.
Xcom. There are millions of books, thousands of plays, at least two Hollywood movies, all depicting life of Jesus. To most Christians these materials fall into “blasphemous” category. The most recent one was the Play that depicted Jesus as Homosexual.
There is a distinction between fiction and realism. People who get threatened by works of Art or Writing are insecure about their own belief system. How can one author with one measly work be viewed as such a danger to “Islam” that he must be killed?
If people don’t want to read (those who can read) the book, that’s fine, but they have no business telling others what to read or not.
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*Rani Post the verses, I like to see how you interpret them to be blasphemous, i.e. truly confirm to the real meaning of blasphemy. *
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I will when I have some time, There is nothing to interpret it is written very clearly many times over. I don't think there is any excuse, regardless of the provocation to put in the scriptures, the put downs regardsing idols or idol worshippers.
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** I will when I have some time, There is nothing to interpret it is written very clearly many times over. I don't think there is any excuse, regardless of the provocation to put in the scriptures, the put downs regardsing idols or idol worshippers. **
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Rani, as of now you have nothing to say, when you get time to make your post then we will talk about it.
Originally Posted by Muslaman : Date Posted 11/30,
Muslaman. Here are your own words. I hope you can recall what you said, and I quote:
NO, most Hindus are IDOL worshippers, meaning they are MUSHRIKEENS, that is they commit SHIRK. They have no chance of entering the paradise until they declare:
There is no GOD, Only ALLAH, and Muhammad is the Messenger of ALLAH
I strongly suggest all Hindu fellow beings to understand the reality and truth and save your self from the eternal hellfire.May ALLAH have mercy on Hindus and may ALLAH open their hearts. <<<<<
I just wanted to know, if your feelings reflected what is written in Quran, or you were just bullshiting then?
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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
**Originally Posted by Muslaman : Date Posted 11/30,
Muslaman. Here are your own words. I hope you can recall what you said, and I quote:
NO, most Hindus are IDOL worshippers, meaning they are MUSHRIKEENS, that is they commit SHIRK. They have no chance of entering the paradise until they declare:
There is no GOD, Only ALLAH, and Muhammad is the Messenger of ALLAH
I strongly suggest all Hindu fellow beings to understand the reality and truth and save your self from the eternal hellfire.
May ALLAH have mercy on Hindus and may ALLAH open their hearts. <<<<<**
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What I said is nothing but truth, the question to you is how did you concluded that what I said is blasphemy? Explain please?
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Muslaman:
Blasphemy: Here is what it means:
-sacrilege; profanity; cursing; impiety; anathema; execration……
now some Hindus might interpret your reading as if being Hindu is a Curse from Allah. Would that not be a Blasphemy to them? Or there is a difference between different types of Blasphemies? Islamic ones, and non-Islamic ones.
Let’s just get back to Rushdie now. I just love his style man. What do you think?
you defined blasphemy as "contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity". Then you said "There is no God, only Allah". Clearly, most Hindus believe there is a God, all Christians believe there is a God.
Hence, blasphemy.
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**you defined blasphemy as "contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity". Then you said "There is no God, only Allah". Clearly, most Hindus believe there is a God, all Christians believe there is a God.
Hence, blasphemy.**
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The Arabic word “ilah” means “god,” that is “a being to be worshipped.”
The Statement “La ilaha ill-Allah” constitutes the basis of Islam and not of any other religions therefore it is not directed towards any other religion, it is quite obvious that Hindus or Christians do not believe in ALLAH. Both have their own gods (beings to be worshipped) which Islam rejects, in the same way the Mushrikeens reject ALLAH. It is one thing to reject ALLAH then a totally different other to be contemptuous about a being which is called by a proper noun “ALLAH”
Hence the statement “La ilaha ill-Allah” is rejection of all false gods and NOT blasphemy towards any one’s specific gods or deities.
So, is Shiva a false god?
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So, is Shiva a false god?
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Islam reject "Shiva" as a god.
blasphemy