Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
Having seen the impacts if the right wing is allowed to run amok (In Pakistan), I feel that India is treading similar path. The language Swami, Rajeshwar and others in the video posted by Ninja Hattori is all too familiar.
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
you wanted to but as happens to unfortunate people with your affliction, you were looking at yourself because the mirror was facing you. Why such inferiority complex!
Why not add self loathing while you are it.
Objectivity and honesty are not your forte. So any criticism from you is welcome.
Have a nice day.
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
Why not add self loathing while you are it.
Objectivity and honesty are not your forte. So any criticism from you is welcome.
Have a nice day.
I've already told you that but if you prefer, I will add it again, here goes - why such self loathing and / or inferiority complex'.,
Fraternity that demands conformance and undue deprecation is not at all betterment.
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I didn't say that you are for the conversions. But you probably failed to see the pattern and frequent statements even by BJP MPs and just jumped to call others 'blind, deaf and dumb'. Thats where I see problem in your argument.
I said if one does not see the difference between Pakistan's forced abduction of baby Hindu girls to marry them of to Muslims and the fevered speeches by Indian Hindu zealots, that would be bdd. In the Pakistan case, you have the crimes of abduction, the immorality of child rape and the sin of forced conversion. In the latter you have the speech of zealots.
The differences are so stark!
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
I've already told you that but if you prefer, I will add it again, here goes - why such self loathing and / or inferiority complex'.,
Fraternity that demands conformance and undue deprecation is not at all betterment.
Your posts are reflective of the crappy indian media.
Your last sentence is confusing at best. May I suggest use of simple language?
Use of complicated words is "not at all.betterment"
Have a good day.
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Your posts are reflective of the crappy indian media.
Your last sentence is confusing at best. May I suggest use of simple language?
Use of complicated words is "not at all.betterment"
Have a good day.
I tried. Really though you'd get that. May be in future.
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
I tried. Really though you'd get that. May be in future.
That you got what you tried to say is highly debatable.
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
I said if one does not see the difference between Pakistan's forced abduction of baby Hindu girls to marry them of to Muslims and the fevered speeches by Indian Hindu zealots, that would be bdd. In the Pakistan case, you have the crimes of abduction, the immorality of child rape and the sin of forced conversion. In the latter you have the speech of zealots.
The differences are so stark!
conversion's trauma is same, whether it is through forced conversion after abduction or by exploiting poverty. If you can't reconcile the similarity, then feel free to happy with your selective condemnation and bdd mantra for others.
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
conversion's trauma is same, whether it is through forced conversion after abduction or by exploiting poverty. If you can't reconcile the similarity, then feel free to happy with your selective condemnation and bdd mantra for others.
This is exactly why I called it bdd. See what you did here? conveniently ignored the abduction; conveniently ignored the child rape. bdd is being charitable when you do that. It is actually worse than that, don't you see?
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
That you got what you tried to say is highly debatable.
gollly! ok go have have fun debating with your mirror. You too may even agree with each other, though I doubt it from what I have seen.
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This is exactly why I called it bdd. See what you did here? conveniently ignored the abduction; conveniently ignored the child rape. bdd is being charitable when you do that. It is actually worse than that, don't you see?
sorry but I don't follow the ideology 'tera kutta kutta hai, mera kutta tommy'. When you gave benefit of doubt to likes of Modi and RSS, then everyone can see your partiality.
Pakistan has been infamous for minority rights and there is a perception that its constitution and governments support with such cases, but what happened to secular India and its secular masses like your good self? Why it is difficult to come up with a condemnation in absolute terms without giving a benefit of doubt to the criminals when you can read / listen to the frequent statements by MPs and other representatives of BJP / RSS showing immature attitude towards the issue?
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
sorry but I don't follow the ideology 'tera kutta kutta hai, mera kutta tommy'. When you gave benefit of doubt to likes of Modi and RSS, then everyone can see your partiality.
Pakistan has been infamous for minority rights and there is a perception that its constitution and governments support with such cases, but what happened to secular India and its secular masses like your good self? Why it is difficult to come up with a condemnation in absolute terms without giving a benefit of doubt to the criminals when you can read / listen to the frequent statements by MPs and other representatives of BJP / RSS showing immature attitude towards the issue?
Condemning stupid speeches by stupid people such as that BJP or MP or whatever is easy - They are idiots. Such condemnation is no issue at all - I do condemn that.
As I have repeated before, do not equate those speeches to actual acts of abduction, child rape and forced marriage/conversions that actually happen in Pakistan
You should know the difference yourself. If you don't know it even after this many explanations, it will be unfortunate and portend worser deeds there!
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Condemning stupid speeches by stupid people such as that BJP or MP or whatever is easy - They are idiots. Such condemnation is no issue at all - I do condemn that.
As I have repeated before, do not equate those speeches to actual acts of abduction, child rape and forced marriage/conversions that actually happen in Pakistan
You should know the difference yourself. If you don't know it even after this many explanations, it will be unfortunate and portend worser deeds there!
And videos have been posted here that the conversions did take place recently in India and the extremists are threatening to go ahead, not any different to what happens in Pakistan.
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
And videos have been posted here that the conversions did take place recently in India and the extremists are threatening to go ahead, not any different to what happens in Pakistan.
very different. Pakistan conversion is through abduction and child rape of girls. That is a pretty huge difference.
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
very different. Pakistan conversion is through abduction and child rape of girls. That is a pretty huge difference.
End result conversion either way. One through money and the other marriage. In any case the Muslim community in India is quite significant (15/20 percent), if they are pushed to the brink they'll explode at some stage.
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
The Plight of Hindu families in Sindh is really a matter that we should address at collective level, but the phenomenon of abduction and child abuse in Sindh is just not for conversion. If that was the case, why would we have cases like Kainat Soomro? Its the overall condition for females that is beyond religion. If you just go through any shaam ka akhbar, you will know a term ‘premi joRay’ mostly teenagers (from all religions) running away from home in search of ‘love’ shown in bollywood movies 
BTW, I follow some people on twitter (Sindhi Hindus from India) and the way they keep on monitoring Sindhi media for these cases is exemplary. What surprised me about their approach that with every agitation on matters like killing of Sindhi youth, they came up with ‘We told you (Sindhi Muslims) not to opt for Pakistan’. Even, they are portraying Thar issue on religious background saying a Muslim Government in Sindh is starving Hindu children of Thar 
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
I was having a chat with my brother in law who has lived significant part of his life in Sukkur and Karachi and he was of the opinion that most of Sindhi Hindus were part of jiay Sindh (on important positions) when it was in its prime. Isn’t it strange that they were rooting for partition of Pakistan and on the other hand Indian Sindhi’s (are very patriotic Indians). I am sure that the situation has changed in the previous 2 decades.
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I think Sindhi Hindus being part of movements like Jiay Sindh should not be seen as loyalty to India, as this was said for Bengali Muslims as well. Apart from this, Sindhi Muslims were major part of such movements being majority population. Its not a healthy trend to call every one traitor of the country, who raise voice for the rights. As far as the situation of nationalist movements of Sindh is concerned, there are so many groups to decide who is the right one. The situation to identify the right one is as grave as choosing the righteous sect out of 72 sects in Islam or knowing the asli sohan halwa bechne wala in Multan’s market where every shop owner says ‘hum hi asli sohan halwa banate aur bechte hain’ 
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I agree but the jiay sindh of the 80’s was not about the rights of Sindhis as such. They were openly calling for the division of Pakistan aka sindhudesh. I was talking to him with regards to the slogans that were there in Karachi and other areas specifically punjabi kutto Sindh say nikal Jao
Re: RSS on their Conversion Assignment!
I agree but the jiay sindh of the 80's was not about the rights of Sindhis as such. They were openly calling for the division of Pakistan aka sindhudesh. I was talking to him with regards to the slogans that were there in Karachi and other areas specifically punjabi kutto Sindh say nikal Jao
such movements flourish when people feel or make to feel deprived of their rights. Remember slogan from PPP on eve of 27th December , 2007 'Pakistan na khappay'.
Also 80s was Zia's period and his period is considered worst for Sindhi especially political workers. His attitude just widen the gap between different races of Pakistan. MRDs movement was led by nationalist leaders of Sindh alongwith PPP. PPP reportedly ditched the movement in between. I recently met a publisher, who is publishing a series of books on MRD movement and he told that many writers warn him that PPP govt will ban such books.