Role of women in world's major religions and why?

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

No, you said I am again winning the argument.
You said hinduism has deragatory attitude towards women.
You mentioned about your scripture having such attitude.

I used your own comments and references to make my points.

You tried to change the direction of the discussion and lost again that Islam DID NOT influence on hinduism to have such negative attitude towards women.

You tried to answer only one point out of so many half heartedly and stated that it is enough for you to answer, since you could not even come close to answering those points written by you and mentioned in your scripture.

1- Already answered .

2- Already answered .

3- Already answered .

4- Already answered .

5- Already answered .

6- Up to four is correct statement only if justice can be done. (Which in many circumstances is impossible). Otherwise one.
Quran clearly mentions word like ‘ONE’ and as as better option.

Islam is a natural, scientific and logical religion.
a-Whose child would you consider or responsibility of which father will that be in this mythical relation?
b- Men all over the world have different mind set than women. They do not like to share their women.
c- One is free to share his woman…but it will not Islamic dear.:slight_smile:

I mentioned earlier…it only hinduism which talks about many ‘husbands’ for a woman.

7- Already answered. You used word like ‘kid’ and age of ‘9 years’ for obviously devious reason. (9 years of age is not authentic and others say differently like 12 years)

There is NO AGE LIMIT IN ISLAM to get married. The requirement is to have ADULTHOOD (and CAPABLE of) for marriage.
The reason is that adulthood age is different for a different person.
In this example, Ayesha (RAA) was not only an adult but was capable mentally to get married. She became one of the best wives of the prophet (PBUH) and they had a great, loving, supportive and lasting relation.

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

Try explaining after you read above the topic. There is nothing mentioned about social structures and how people practice religion.

The point is to see what each religion has to offer in terms of their attitude towards women.

Not for this thread. Open one of your liking.

Thats the point. At least Islam does not have its basic but major rules pertaining to women made for one century or so…

Off topic again but who said adjustment according to time is bad? Basic and major rules do not need change the reason is mentioned above.

Please read above and stick to the topic!

Re: Role of women in world's major religions and why?

"Men all over the world have different mind set than women. They do not like to share their women."

But women like to share their men?? Only because of patriarachal social systems and parochial attitudes does this even exist as a difference in some people's minds.

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

For you, who sees religion as a literal translation of ancient texts and as practiced and preached by ‘scholars’ for centuries perhaps. But not everyone sees religion as black and white as you do. Most religions have evolved as man, education and society has evolved. Christianity for example, is not practiced today anything like it was 1400 years ago. It doesn’t mean it is no longer a religion. Perhaps you should be posting in a thread entitled “Role of women in major religion’s texts”.

Re: Role of women in world's major religions and why?

Half the answers you say answered are "not sure" or "ask someone". As usual need the camaflouge of experts or the answers are with Allah so do not bother.

Care to explain why in terms of inhertiance - women gets half of men? Thats what I meant 2 women equal one man.

And you do not have the right to decide what is relevant or not if you do not understand the context. Actually, I forgot the maulvis have the goddamn right to decide what is relavant thinking in pure Islam.

So I repeat all religions have treated women as ****. There are few good sentences and few bad in all religions thats all - No Point in looking into religion for role of women. Hypo crites they all are - join the bandwagon of changed societies.

But the maturity at age 9 beats all. Have you heard of mental maturity - You will never unless explicitly put across by Allah. Next time you see a 9 yr old woman please ask her if she can marry!!!!! Actually start asking her if she has attained puberty from the age of 6 and then propose to her by 9. Modern nations think of maturity as the mental maturity to have the independence and the rationality to influence their choice. Thats why they apply guardians till that age. Why do you not have the guts to say that the maturity you state is that of Physical or hormone change. And equalling that to mental maturity is a lost case.

And yes we forgot the Taliban implemented the Christian rule, Democracy and may be Buddhism. Listen - they implemented some form of Islam which they claim to be Pure. Maybe they read some correct Hadilths or did not require any translation.

However, I do not care since I see Afghanistan as the pinnacle of success followed by Pakistan for the great postion bestowed to women.

Repeat the Trillion $ Rocky GDP of Afghanistan and Pakistan is due to the great role of women in Islam. The darkest period of countries with Hindus and Christians are due to the same fault.

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it only hinduism which talks about many 'husbands' for a woman.
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Its only Islam that talks about four to 20 wives for the muslim husband **and actually practices it. Isnt that laudable!!!

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Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

Tell it to mormons.

Women have no problem sharing men as much as vice versa.
If man cannot provide justice then he is not to mary more than one.

There is no such thing that a man must mary more than one women, in Islam.
I say, based on available knowledge of Islam, its allowed with extreme responsibility which comes with it.

But only hinduism talks about multiple ‘husbands’ for one woman in my knowledge.

(Laws of land must be followed by all means. So if it is not allowed for man to mary more than one woman by law then either get out of that place or follow the law if law cannot be changed)

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

What I said stands: If there is any truth to that it is because of patriarachal social systems and parochial attitudes. Women don’t want to share their men. Ask around if you don’t believe me (if it is not haram to do so).

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

I answered those questions as well as Sadiyah. Read above.
What Allah said is preserved and anyone can read it.

FEMALE INHERITANCE

One of the most important differences between the Quran and the Bible is their attitude towards female inheritance of the property of a deceased relative.

The Biblical attitude has been succinctly described by Rabbi Epstein: “The continuous and unbroken tradition since the Biblical days gives the female members of the household, wife and daughters, no right of succession to the family estate. In the more primitive scheme of succession, the female members of the family were considered part of the estate and as remote from the legal personality of an heir as the slave. Whereas by Mosaic enactment the daughters were admitted to succession in the event of no male issue remained, the wife was not recognized as heir even in such conditions.” 44

Why were the female members of the family considered part of the family estate? Rabbi Epstein has the answer:
“They are owned --before marriage, by the father; after marriage, by the husband.” 45

The Biblical rules of inheritance are outlined in Numbers 27:1-11. A wife is given no share in her husband’s estate, while he is her first heir, even before her sons. A daughter can inherit only if no male heirs exist. A mother is not an heir at all while the father is. Widows and daughters, in case male children remained, were at the mercy of the male heirs for provision. That is why widows and orphan girls were among the most destitute members of the Jewish society.

Christianity has followed suit for long time. Both the ecclesiastical and civil laws of Christendom barred daughters from sharing with their brothers in the father’s patrimony. Besides, wives were deprived of any inheritance rights. These iniquitous laws survived till late in the last century46.

Among the pagan Arabs before Islam, inheritance rights were confined exclusively to the male relatives. The Quran abolished all these unjust customs and gave all the female relatives inheritance shares:

“From what is left by parents and those nearest related there is a share for men and a share for women, whether the property be small or large --a determinate share” (4:7). Muslim mothers, wives, daughters, and sisters had received inheritance rights thirteen hundred years before Europe recognized that these rights even existed. The division of inheritance is a vast subject with an enormous amount of details (4:7,11,12,176).

The general rule is that the female share is half the male’s except the cases in which the mother receives equal share to that of the father. This general rule if taken in isolation from other legislations concerning men and women may seem unfair. In order to understand the rationale behind this rule, one must take into account the fact that the financial obligations of men in Islam far exceed those of women (see the “Wife’s property?” section).

A bridegroom must provide his bride with a marriage gift. This gift becomes her exclusive property and remains so even if she is later divorced. **The bride is under no obligation to present any gifts to her groom. **

Moreover, the Muslim husband is charged with the maintenance of his wife and children. The wife, on the other hand, is not obliged to help him in this regard. Her property and earnings are for her use alone except what she may voluntarily offer her husband.

Besides, one has to realize that Islam vehemently advocates family life. It strongly encourages youth to get married, discourages divorce, and does not regard celibacy as a virtue. Therefore, in a truly Islamic society, family life is the norm and single life is the rare exception. That is, almost all marriage-aged women and men are married in an Islamic society. In light of these facts, one would appreciate that Muslim men, in general, have greater financial burdens than Muslim women and thus inheritance rules are meant to offset this imbalance so that the society lives free of all gender or class wars. After a simple comparison between the financial rights and duties of Muslim women, one British Muslim woman has concluded that Islam has treated women not only fairly but generously.

^The source is the site which was mentioned in earlier post.

I started the thread remember. Who stopped you to start yours?

I could hardly be described as a ‘moulvi’ or ‘religious scholar’. That must be a joke!:slight_smile:
The problem is that anyone who talks about religon is given stereotypical label. LOL

Not all religions. I will say some do better than others and best is Islam.

We saw proof in actual relationship there so what’s your problem other than argument for argument sake?

Irrelevant and pure speculations on your part my dear sherlock!

Sure we know you do not care to listen.

Stick to the topic.!

You are given the answer so please say something fruitful.

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

Yes I stick to my statement. Millions of women are happily sharing their men than perhaps few or none of men sharing one wife!
You must be oblivious of the world and living just infront of a computer not to know that.
I advise you to just look around.
(Its not haraam for anyone to search or see the truth)

Re: Role of women in world's major religions and why?

They are sharing their husbands because they belong to patriarachal social systems with parochial attitudes. You must be oblivious to any culture outside of that.

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

First you said women do not like that.
Now you tell us your self made reason for it. That’s a start!

Fact remain, they ARE and millions HAVE happily sharing/shared men.

Re: Role of women in world's major religions and why?

I did not ask you how inheritance is different from christianity or 100 years before that. Just a simple why only half to women? Even a year four child can tell you better than that.
Is that the best religion (so called Islam) can out with it?

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

Could you read that post AGAIN. Granted you may not understand it but the answer is given in that post. I posted exact section. Can you not use your brain to read the relevant portion. Maybe you need me to think for you.

Please explain what do you mean ‘so called Islam’. Briefly… since its not the topic.

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

Stop twisting words. So your basis for saying women care less about sharing their spouse is because “millions are happily sharing men”? I’ll type it slowly for you this time:
it’s because thease are patriarachal social systems with parochial attitudes.

If societies, cultures and religions had been dominated by women then it would be different and this thread would be Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

Its hardly called twisting of words when I typed exactly what you wrote.

The reason you mentioned for it is your self made idea and not fact. You can keep the idea however.

Now the last sentence is definitely a try from you once again to change the topic to your liking.

I must say… Since Islam is a natural, logical religion and Allah knows its creation, it allowed men to have more than one woman to mary but only with great responsibility..otherwise just ONE.

Now what I do not undersratnd is why obsession with men allowed and not women in this regard. (Allowed means allowed not should or must!)
I did mention why and the logic behind it. If anyone want to allow his woman to be shared with someone else then its no problem of mine…more power to him. But its not Islamic.
On the other hand you will have abvsolutely no problem finding women who will not mind if their men have another wife and still be glad.

Re: Role of women in world's major religions and why?

The reason it is part of Islam is because of the patriachal, warring society to which it was revealed. The same way slavery was permited, not because it is a holy, spiritual thing to do, but it was a part of the society and future societies where war played a major part

as far as this quote being off topic:
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If societies, cultures and religions had been dominated by women then it would be different and this thread would be Role of women in world's major religions and why?
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It's not, it is just the flip side to why you are advocating, showing that if Allah revealed his message to the Amazons it would be women who were allowed to marry multiple husbands who were under their care.

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

I told you you are allowed to keep your point of view despite it is not a fact.

I did not say it was off topic I said you wanted to change it to your liking but at least it was related to the topic.
Allah did not reveal Islam based on few but based on where it would be beneficial for the majority and hence the idea spread allover the owrld in short time and was accepted by people at large. Amazon hardly represent the majority.
The point is what people do can be a part of religion or found in the religion but what’s in religion as a whole maybe quite different than what people do.

Got it?

Re: Role of women in world's major religions and why?

For personal reason I may not be able to post for some time in near future.
Sorry for that but will try to be back to forum ASAP.

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

It is a fact that Islam was revealed to a male-dominated, patriarchal society where women were treated as property. The reasons given for men to take more than one wife are based on that society, not anything going on today.

It is a fact that today, in religions today that allow multiple wives, those societies are dominated by men where women are under their care.

What exactly ‘is not fact’?

Nomadic desert tribes of Arabia hardly represent the majority either.

Re: Role of women in world’s major religions and why?

You know, most women do not. And that’s the intuitive thought. But then there are people like as seen in culture forum arguing just the opposite, that polygamy is such a GOOD THING.

I dont get these women, but they do exist somehow. Either that or they’re talking in an immature fashion, and they just dont get the implications of polygamy until their husband dumps their behinds and marries a 10 year old virgin.