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lol baaz aaja KA! Singh will retaliate by posting 10 consecutive posts! :D
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^^:D
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Singh-a-song-of-sixpunce, this is what your link says about veda vesa or whatever
***Guru Purnima is also known as Vyas Purnima, in honour of the learned Sage Vyas, who organised the structure of the Vedas, the fountainhead of all ancient learning. The supreme godhead Brahma brought forth the Vedas from his head and transmitted them to the Sage Narada, who in turn passed them on to Vyas for editing and teaching. He thus came to be known as Rishi Veda Vyas. ***
So let me get this right. The God Brahma transmitted the Veda to Sage Narada, who passes them onto Veda Veesa. Let’s say that the Veda was in fact transmitted to Sage N, now this means Sage N must have lived around 1000 BC. We agree that all your sages are mortal men. So how on earth did Sage N manage to pass on his teaching to a man who lived at least 600 years later when the Mahabhrata was written. Was he the oldest man on earth to do this? If he did not pass on the teaching, Veda Vesa must have found his works 600 years on, and just compiled the Vedas. You know what compiled means dont you? He did not write the Vedas as such. They have different authors, different scribes, the Vedas and the Mahrbharata do, and the Vedas was written by some light skinned people, the Mahabharata was not. I think also that the Veda has been manipulated by more recent Hindus to say it was written by Brahma, when it is Indra that is the main God in the Veda. It is after all, the Indus that is the most powerful river.
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^^that is a puranic story.....that is exactly why i wrote Mythological stories in my earlier post. and he is a part of those stories as well. emphasis on the word mythological . accept it or reject it. as such i myself dont believe in those stories. and yes, bhrama is also mentioned in rig veda, along with indra, agni, vayi, rudra, vishnu etc. the only thing is, the puranic stories are more for a ordinary man and vedas are for those who really want to learn something. and meaning of those gods are different when compared to those in puranas. Puranas are kind of for a layman.
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Look, Sisssssingh, the Rig Veda also talks of Aryan Gods slaying the Desyas and these sorts of Mythological events. Let's not confuse the issue here. The main Gods of the Rig Veda are ALL ARYAN. There is perhaps the odd mention of a Dravidian God, which I suspect the Brahmins have added over time. But the main Gods of the Rig Veda are virtually all these light skinned Gods. No Dravidians God plays any great role in the Veda. Hindus have manipulated the Rig Vedic scripture over the millenia, though the main events they cannot change. Just minor things.
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i dont see any benefit which they would get in adding them. besides, meaning of vedic mantras could be multiple. if you are referring to a verse where indra kills dasyu....the other meaning of dasyu is darkness also. darkness need not mean darker people, it could be spiritual darkness. besides, someone called indra(a god) coming down to earth and killing dark people, sound illogical to me. god doesn't kill people just because they are dark. and, i dont think any name of god has been added coz you find same name of god in other vedas as well. and in puranas also. and moreover, i am not denying aryan invasion theory. going by DNA details you showed, i think it is for real. aryans did invade.
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Point is the same. Aryan Gods killing darkness or dark people, it's all mythological like the Purana mythological events of Dravid Gods killing all the ones that are Aryan. Tit for tat it seems.
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example of dravid gods killing that of aryan ones?.....besides, i already said, meanings could be many.
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I'm not sure of the exact one, but Indra is defeated in the Mahbharata. He is of course the main Aryan God from the Rig Veda. He was swallowed at one point then ran off somewhere, but there might have been another occasion.
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i have not come across any such stories
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*Indra turned back And on his retreat, the gods became exceedingly distressed. And all of them together with Indra were overpowered by the might of Twashtri. And they all consulted with the saints, O descendant of Bharata. And they deliberated as to what was proper to be done, and were overwhelmed with dread. *
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this is also there. association of indra and krishna in mahabharatha
The association of Arjuna (son of Indra) and Shri Krishna (avatara of Vishnu), especially in their companionship during the Mahabharata battle, is thus prefigured by this association of Shri Indra and Vishnu.
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When I say my “Pravara”, I invoke the name of “Rishi Gargeyasa”. My family lineage goes back to the great Rishi Gargeyasa and looking further into the family of Rishi Gargeyasa, they were three brother, Rishi Angirasa who was the eldest, Rishi Gargeyasa who was the second, Rishi Gargasainya who was the youngest.
By default, we are not allowed to marry girls from any of these three lineages. And yes all these rishis were from South India and hence I think the theory that Vedas belongs to particular part of north-india or pakistan is rubbish. The author of Vedas is Rishi Veda Vyasa, the greatest Rishi since Sage Agasthya.
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^^Goodness gracious me. What a load of junk, or what! You say the Rig Veda originated in South India, and could not possibly have originated in Pakistan! How do you explain the fact that the sacredest Rig Vedic stream is the Indus RIver? Did the Tamils write the Rig Veda from Bangalore with perfect geographical knowledge of the Indus, and its tributaries including the Saraswati, and then decided to write a book devoted to white Aryan God worship, instead of a Tamil one? Think. 
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he is right…and harppapa civilizations were that of dravidians. if it is not, then very theory of aryan invasion itself is wrong. this every neutral/pro aryan invasion site confirms. moreover mantras were composed by different individuals. vyasa just compiled them. and this is a anti-hindu website. i hope you know ambedkar. this is what he has to say on one of the riddles.
“How is it then that Sudas, a Shudra, was the composer of the hymns of the Rig Veda if they were not allowed to be read them ?”
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^^Forget the word "invasion" after Aryan. Use the word migration, happening over a long period of time, slowly into Harrappa. Harrappan skeletons are known to be that of Aryans and Dravidians and those in between, so it probably wasnt too different to what Pakistan is like.
But his suggestion the Rig Veda was written in South India is just well dumb.
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But his suggestion the Rig Veda was written in South India is just well dumb.
but earlier you were mentioning about indra killing dark people. how come he was killing when there was no invasion?......
what ever it is, even migration could also be true. can't be negated
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what ever it is, even migration could also be true. can't be negated
It's a book Singh. it doesnt have to be real, perhaps just to show Aryan Indra fighting against dark forces or evil spirits or something.
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Round two... FIGHT!
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I am not sure of Veda Vyasa’s address, however I believe that indicate that atleast the three rishis I mentioned are from a place near Kishkindha. (Approx 300 kms north of Bangalore). I never said Tamil’s wrote Rig Veda. If the vedas mention a particular river, it does not turn out that people on the banks of that river are the originators.
You can call the religion of the vedas as Vedic religion, the religion is also known as Sanatana Dharma, for the modern age it is the Hinduism.