Rigging Evidence

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That is how elections are done. That is how its being done in Burundi. That is how it is done in Afghanistan. That is how its done in nearly all elections as you would need over 300,000 election observers for just the polling stations.

But FAFEN is the expert in this, not I. So if they and the EU and the US says it was free and fair I would think they would be right. And on top of that what evidence has PTI provided.

I have provided evidence from various sources including the US stating yesterday that the Pakistan elections were free and fair. That is of course with the caveat that free and fair mean something very different in Pakistan.

Just like two PTI supporters were disqualified for rigging. Regardless you want to prove there was massive rigging, provide the evidence.

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True, this is how elections are monitored, but in Afghanistan, a complete audit was ordered after complaints of rigging, and the result has still been withheld. In Pakistan, all parties claimed rigging, yet there was no reaction by the EC, or the SC, which should have stepped in.

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I have provided evidence from various sources including the US stating yesterday that the Pakistan elections were free and fair. That is of course with the caveat that free and fair mean something very different in Pakistan.

Just like two PTI supporters were disqualified for rigging. Regardless you want to prove there was massive rigging, provide the evidence.
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Just because the US says so, hence it must be right? Are you serious? US makes calls based on what its interests are, not based on what is right. US has historically given red carpet welcomes to military rulers from Pakistan as well. Were they right then too?

There is plenty of video and pictorial evidence to suggest widespread rigging.....certainly enough to warrant investigations, which the govt, EC, tribunals and SC have all shied away from, which leads one to believe that there are other factors at work in the background. You want an example of bias? PTIs Ghulam Sarwar was disqualified for fake degree, directly by the SC, with no tribunal, EC or HEC intervention, but on all other issues, SC claimed that it was for the tribunals to resolve.
And the 2 PTI MNAs that were disqualified, were done so on technical grounds, not for rigging.

In all this drama, noone has ever wondered why the govt didnt just get the 4 constituencies checked and got over and done with this saga? We know the answer, but just dont care.

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Then provide the evidence. So far I haven't seen any.

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Dunya News:

حلقہ این اے 128 کی ووٹوں کی دوبارہ گنتی مکمل ،30 ہزار 472 ووٹ جعلی نکلے۔ 21 ہزار 493 بیلٹ پیپرز ہی موجود نہیں بعض ریکارڈ کھاد کے تھیلوں میں ڈالا گیا تھا۔ - See more at: Dunya News:

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There was deliberate vote stuffing, polling stations opening late or closing early, ink and other problems in some areas but imo most rigging happened after the counting (at counting representatives of all parties are usu. present) process. Results were changed overnight by unscrupulous returning officers (ROs) who were supposed to be judges (however after seeing their calibre or the calibre of the Qs they were asking of candidates during the sham screening process, I had little hope from them).

How Fafen or any other international observers could have access to that or insight into what the ROs did is beyond me. At best these observers could have only monitored the polling booths and reported irregularities there. What happened afterwards or the actual dhandli was largely hidden from their view, so their judgement is incomplete at best and flawed or biased at worst

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This is a false new, it is not possible, EU observers said the elections were fair :naraz:

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aur jo taaqatwar hotaa hai [jaise baadshaah salaamat] uske aage na hii matiq, na hii dalaail, na hii suboot aur na hii ilm kaam aataa hai…uske aage to bas inqilaab hii aataa hai jo kaargar saabit hotaa hai. shaah iraan bhii Khud se nahiiN gaye the…unheN nikaalaa gayaa thaa aur aisaa nikaalaa gayaa k marne ke ba’d bhii do gaz zameen dafn ke liye na mili.
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aise mantiqii anjaam se shahenshaahaan-e-taKht-e-Lahore ko Darnaa chaahiye.**

Allah kii laaThii meN aawaaz nahiiN huaa kartii.

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marvi memon rigging evidence.

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I know Nooras or Jiyalas would not accept that they come to power because they are master of rigging. How can they, as their Roti and Rozi comes from rigging the election and getting into power using that rigging. Chalo maan laytay hain, what they claim, they are telling truth … so:

Who says election was massively rigged. Who says PMLN did not win fair and square. PMLN says that one should please talk with daleed, as thugs of PMLN like daleel, not gulail. :)

So, now, what is the problem? Country is going down the drain due to dharna and ahtajaj (protest) that should stop. Obviously, last election was not massively rigged (as Nooras would like people to accept) and thus no one should cry (as according to Nooras), because:

PMLN got around 15 million votes
PPP got 7 million votes

Together … both parties got 22 million votes.

Little Brats and trouble makers:
PTI got 7.7 million votes. … PAT got 0 votes.

Together PTI + PAT got 7.7 million votes.

With 2:1 ration in votes, even PMLN alone can take PTI to task, with PPP as their partner, they can win the contest hands down.

Both PMLN and PPP, along with little chailay chamcnay parties (ANP, JUI, PPP-S, PKMAP, and so on), are fighting little brats together. Since last 15 months, PMLN has also done lot of work in Pakistan and Punjab, brought Pakistan from brink of collapse to now competing in growth with China, and there are rivers of milk and honey flowing throughout Punjab.

So, there should be no problem. These two brats should be made quite so that peace comes back and Pakistan progress, especially, when that can be done easily and all can stop in no time.

**NS should call the bluff of Imran Khan and PTI: **NS resigns … let new interim government do all sorts of electoral reforms in voting system, counting of votes and verification of votes making such that no loop-holes are left and election system, verification and counting of votes all becomes air-tight and fool-proof.

To secure polling stations and movement of votes, army should be used (who would not interfere but supervise only) inside and outside polling stations and also monitor whatever happening to cast votes and, movement and counting. Army should have clear order to shoot any irrelevant person entering the polling booth or trying to rig election (even if that person is NS, Zardari or Imran Khan) … then call new election as soon as possible.

Obviously, all problems would get sorted out, and PMLN would gain too. With 3:1 vote count advantage and first-past-the-poll system, PMLN making seat adjustment with PPP, would completely wipe out PTI. Maybe, Imran Khan and all in PTI would lose their deposits.

Nawaz Shareef would become hero. All losses due to dharna and protest would end and country would come out of all turmoil. Even though election expenditure would be justified (Pakistan is used to holding elections more frequently than two to three years), expenditure in new election and all exercise would get easily compensated by Pakistan under (Thug) Nawaz as then Pakistan would start developing fast with peace and harmony. No one would dishonour Nawaz and would not say that Nawaz is a big time crook, Thug, murderer, and haram-khor Jahannumi (that also, with conviction). Nawaz would gain respect and honour … and would become Halali too.

MQM problem will also get sorted out in Karachi and Hyderabad, as in free, fair and fool proof election, MQM would lose all seats of NA and PA.

What a good idea … but … but … but … **if last election was not massively rigged and it is untrue that Thug Nawaz is a thug, murderer, haram-khor big time crook, who is only in parliament because he rigs election in big way.

I can bet that Nooras and Jiyalas would not agree to above solution, because they also know that if elections are held free and fair, without any rigging and honestly, than they would not get more than few seats in Parliament (if at all). Leave province, they would not have even a district to rule, and most (if not all) of their so-called leaders (looterays) would lose their deposits, and would have to run away from Pakistan, as their corruption and nepotism would haunt them in Pakistan. **

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Most surprising thing that I hear on media is corrupt haram-khor thugs saying that they are behind NS illegal government because they do not want to derail democracy ... when we all know that these thugs just do not want free and fair election in Pakistan, because they know that in free and fair election, they would become an unknown entity.

The reality is that, demand from a PM who got into power from rigging, or even because of various reasons (corruption, nepotism, misuse of power, and so on), is part of democracy. Best part is that, It is beauty of democracy (if there is democracy in Pakistan), that PM resignations and call for new election for even trivial things then big things like accusation that PM (and his party) is there because he (and his party) rigged the election, is not only normal, but facing such accusations and demands, PM resigns.

[As such accusations and demands make PM and ruling party lose all moral right to rule, and in democracy, parties or people rule with strength of their moral rights ... as they cannot have brutal forces as their strength, because in all democracy, army chief holds brutal force, and thus army chief would be ruling if government derives strength from brutal force]

As for NS, there are many accusations with valid proofs, that NS is liar, done perjury (lied in Parliament, and also lied in his election declaration), is thug, thief, corrupt, murderers, and guilty of nepotism (several dozens of his incompetent and unqualified relatives are holding government posts due to him).

Actually, in democracy, posts and place in parliament is not right of anyone, but a responsibility and gift of voters, hence in democracy, political parties or parliamentarians are not stakeholders but voters. But these corrupt thugs on TV talk-shows wrongly try to propagate that they have right to be in parliament and it they who are stakeholder (not voters ... like TUQ or anyone who did not contested election).

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if ik is saying wrong why don't they drag him to court but they will never because they know pol khul jai ga :)

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Where is the evidence? Yeh aik Masoomana (Waseem Badami style) sawaal.

There are enough evidences about rigging on the net, only a fool will claim that they were free and fair but what is yet to be seen is whether systematic rigging happened and involvement of ministers, PM etc. This can ONLY be done if an audit is done by neutral party which PMLN has been avoiding in last 1.5 years. Let's say there is no rigging and Imran just dreamed about it all then there was no better way to shut him up by launching investigations on those 4 constitutes he demanded???? What i am trying to say is that you can't possible expect Imran khan to provide hard core proof like videos of Nawaz Sharif or Saad Rafiq stuffing fake votes??

You can only go by leads and indicators, only investigation (that Sharif cannot influence) can reveal whether anyone was involved so don't be naive in asking Imran to hand videos or audio tapes of rigging.

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And where is the evidence? If its all over the internet just post a link. That is what I have been asking for for nearly a month now.

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Were you on Mars on Election Day?

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Yes I was. Now provide the evidence. :D