I have been following the news as best as I can these days. But I have yet to see any evidence. I see statements, I see politicking. I see accusations. But I have yet to see any actual evidence.
Can someone point out what I missed? PTI has stated they have evidence, does anybody know which media outlet has the story?
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^^^ Majority of rigging was done by MQM (on camera) but funny thing is IK is not marching to Karachi. Btw, if you remember after election and murder of PTI worker in Karachi he said he was going to take AH to court in UK. In fact, he asked PTI workers to call London metropolitan police and ask them to investigate AH (which they did).
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**There is no rigging at least in Lahore ..... only small loopholes and technical flaws mostly by ECP inefficiency etc.
50+ Channels covering NA-122 and Lahore Elections and how it is possible you can easily go with such rigging without being noticed
From being Lahore , I know each and single lane , Gali Mohallah of *NA-122 *specially Garhi Shahu, Railway Colony, UET area, Larex Colony,Baja Line, Cup Store etc where Ayyaz Sadiq defeated Imran Khan.
yh sara area jo highly dense h is hardcore supporter of PML-N . Posh ya moderate upper middle class areas of Gulshan-e-Ravi and few Samanabad areas voted for Imran but majority lower-class areas are traditional PML-N supporters
Same happened in *NA-125 *where DHA area voted for Hamid Khan but middle class and poor residents from Qainchi,Walton, Super Town, Farooq Colony, PEL Area, Chungi Amar Sidhu , Kot Lakhpat, Ghazi Rd voted for Saad Rafique and eventually he won
And lastly my constituency *NA-126* , mostly upper middle class from Faisal Town, Model Town and Garden Town voted for Shafqat Mahmood where he got approx. 96,000 votes while PML-N Khawaja Hassaan got 91,000 , narrow escape !**
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I have been following the news as best as I can these days. But I have yet to see any evidence. I see statements, I see politicking. I see accusations. But I have yet to see any actual evidence.
Can someone point out what I missed? PTI has stated they have evidence, does anybody know which media outlet has the story?
Check out election rigging thread there are all videos do see wht happened in narowal ahsan iqbal vs abrar ul haq
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Check out election rigging thread there are all videos do see wht happened in narowal ahsan iqbal vs abrar ul haq
*sb rang baazi hai by PTI media cell ..... Ahsan Iqbal hmesha wha se jeet tha hae ..... Abrar bechare ko siraf Billo songs atae hai ..... Ahsan UET, Penn. aur Oxford ka graduate hai .... muqabla bnta he ni hai .....log itne pagal ni hote ke bilawjha kisi ko vote de *
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*sb rang baazi hai by PTI media cell ..... Ahsan Iqbal hmesha wha se jeet tha hae ..... Abrar bechare ko siraf Billo songs atae hai ..... Ahsan UET, Penn. aur Oxford ka graduate hai .... muqabla bnta he ni hai .....log itne pagal ni hote ke bilawjha kisi ko vote de *
What an immature response. If Ahsan Iqbal's qualification makes him so precious,why isnt he the PM instead of NS?. Just because Ahsan has always won the constituency means he has booked it for himself, and noone else can ever win it?
As for rigging evidence, the simple fact that all major political parties have filed petitions, including PMLN, PPP, PTI means that all agree there was widespread rigging.
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So whats the evidence?
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What an immature response. If Ahsan Iqbal's qualification makes him so precious,why isnt he the PM instead of NS?. Just because Ahsan has always won the constituency means he has booked it for himself, and noone else can ever win it?
As for rigging evidence, the simple fact that all major political parties have filed petitions, including PMLN, PPP, PTI means that all agree there was widespread rigging.
Thats why he is supporting N league because just like his dumb PM he is also dumb
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I have been following the news as best as I can these days. But I have yet to see any evidence. I see statements, I see politicking. I see accusations. But I have yet to see any actual evidence.
Can someone point out what I missed? PTI has stated they have evidence, does anybody know which media outlet has the story?
This is only a topi drama staged by IK's and co produced and directed by intelligence/army agencies as a reminder to Ganja Sharif that army is still calling the shots. Release Mush.
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So whats the evidence?
Tons of video evidence and paper evidence is on file. Are you looking for justice from tribunals/parliament? Heres a sample of what they have done. Tribunals have so far wrapped up 38 of 58 PTI petitions. Not a single one has been based on a vote recount. All of them were wrapped up on technicalities. Parliament you say? 2 bills presented by PTI were shot down. Electronic voting? Pakistanis are illiterates. They cant click on an ipad!. Reforms committee? We'll see. (The committee was formed just last week I believe, after months of pressure, but its too little too late.)
Your own leader was one to say that this was an RO election. PPP too has more than 50 petitions. Are you saying PPP is lying?
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*sb rang baazi hai by PTI media cell ..... Ahsan Iqbal hmesha wha se jeet tha hae ..... Abrar bechare ko siraf Billo songs atae hai ..... Ahsan UET, Penn. aur Oxford ka graduate hai .... muqabla bnta he ni hai .....log itne pagal ni hote ke bilawjha kisi ko vote de *
Ahsan Iqbal is educated for sure but he is not a graduate of Oxford University. He attended executive and mid career programs at Oxford etc. which is a different thing.
He did his MBA from Wharton University of Pennsylvania
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As for rigging evidence, the simple fact that all major political parties have filed petitions, including PMLN, PPP, PTI means that all agree there was widespread rigging.
There were irregularities & everyone knows that. Which 3rd world country doesn't have that types of issues when it comes to elections t? And losing candidates are always going to say that reason he/she lost b/c of rigging. How is that surprising?
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^ Then how come people and politicians in India generally accept the election results. During the recent election in India, voting was held over more than a month, yet there were no reports of serious irregularities or fraud in the election
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I am not a fan of dharnas, however there is a need to make sure that the next elections are transparent, free and fair.
We do need electoral reforms such as electronic voting, overseas voting, some mechanism in place for accountability of corrupt returning officers etc.
Election Commission needs to be a totally independent body which is not under the influence of either the government or the supreme court.
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^ Then how come people and politicians in India generally accept the election results. During the recent election in India, voting was held over more than a month, yet there were no reports of serious irregularities or fraud in the election
Actually there were ...you were probably just not paying attention to what happened in India. If your read Times of India you'd know there were countless complains about it. There difference is that they have established credible democratic system that is capable to sustaining hits and surviving and we haven't.
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There were irregularities & everyone knows that. Which 3rd world country doesn't have that types of issues when it comes to elections t? And losing candidates are always going to say that reason he/she lost b/c of rigging. How is that surprising?
The point is all political parties admitted rigging and registered cases in the court, so let's not pretend rigging is only PTI's problem just because it's the only party actively pursuing the suit. The PPP was officially the first party to formally kick a fuss about rigging, I'd like to think your memory will support you in recalling Bilawal Bhutto's famous 'Punjabi establishment' speech where he talks about PPP stolen mandate.
A simple point which many people are purposely presenting not to understand is 400+ rigging cases from all parties suggest widespread rigging and ultimately put the legitimacy of all party government in under great scrutiny and suspicion. In a true democracy, free and independent judiciary would've either declared the elections null or void or ran judicial inquiries to undo the damage and punish culprit. What this anti rigging has proved that status quo parties doesn't give a hoot about implementing the latter procedure nor the self proclaimed bastions of democracy care about supporting the cause as long as it's raised by individual they cannot stand.
If you are going to going pull the third world country card as an excuse to trivialise rigging, then let's just a lot of other bad things also happen in third world countries, maybe you shouldn't act so surprised and concerned over those crimes either.
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I had to come back for this.
I don't agree with e-voting system, I would oppose it for Britain and I would oppose it for Pakistan on the same lines. Anything computer based can be hacked, data can be manipulated. It is next to impossible to maintain secrecy, transparency and immunity from abuse for e-voting system. Electoral fraud maybe a very sophisticated activity on such system, but once it's done, how do you prove it in courts? It's not the most auditable system, and with the whole NSA flimflam, it would be seem like the most trustworthy system. There's a reason why the most technically advance, wealthy and civilised countries have still not adopted this method.
If you have strict anti fraud laws in place, independent, effective and strict judiciary and legal system in place, ballot box system is still by the far the most reliable voting system.
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Actually there were ...you were probably just not paying attention to what happened in India. If your read Times of India you'd know there were countless complains about it. There difference is that they have established credible democratic system that is capable to sustaining hits and surviving and we haven't.
There were many complaints in India, true. But life went on not because 'they are able to sustain hits'. It went on because with e-voting, accountability is a snap, and it doesnt take more than a few hours to audit a constituency, which, with all of India's administrative faults, they have done.
In Pakistan, the biggest problem is a lack of accountability, and a lack of political will to conduct it. Reason being family mafias of the 2 status quo parties.
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Sounds like you are implying that in Pakistan, democracy is taking a hit. I thought protests were a basic right of citizens?