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Could not watch video - not working on kindle fire. Anyway rangoli had posted this abt 8 months ago. This seems a hoax..
Actually this one is not the same video, the one that I had posted earlier was about this gentlemen from Punjab Dr Chaudar Ghulam who had invented Pakistan first water run car, which he claimed was running 70% on water.
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The water fraud will be exposed soon enough and, like a bad posterior smell, will go away. A simple experiment will make this happen faster. Here’s how: take an emergency electricity generator, of which there are thousands in Islamabad. Its engine is similar to that in a car. Remove the fuel tank and make sure the ‘water kit’ contains only water. Then ask the inventor to connect it up and run the generator. Let there be enough sharp-eyed witnesses of intelligence and integrity.
**How the car engines and generator engines are similar? Aren't generator engines are two stroke which are started manually with strings? The generator's engine has magneto which creates spark for power stroke and does not require battery. On the other hand most of the cars have four stroke engines and they have self starter and spark plugs for combustion, for which you have to have 12 V battery on your car to run other electronic systems and electrical systems. The inventor said he has not touched the engine and its running system. It means car has its own battery which will be charged through alternator when car runs.
Unless these so called intellectuals get their @$$e$ out from their air conditioned rooms and come out see the performance themselves, then they will be justified to say anything based on the system designed by the inventor. Pakistan main baten chehikney sub ko aati hain.**
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sab choro..ab paani bhi mehenga hojayega?? 
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**How the car engines and generator engines are similar? Aren't generator engines are two stroke which are started manually with strings? The generator's engine has magneto which creates spark for power stroke and does not require battery. On the other hand most of the cars have four stroke engines and they have self starter and spark plugs for combustion, for which you have to have 12 V battery on your car to run other electronic systems and electrical systems. The inventor said he has not touched the engine and its running system. It means car has its own battery which will be charged through alternator when car runs.
Unless these so called intellectuals get their @$$e$ out from their air conditioned rooms and come out see the performance themselves, then they will be justified to say anything based on the system designed by the inventor. Pakistan main baten chehikney sub ko aati hain.**
dont waste your energy on explaining how the engine starts. He was perhaps comparing 2 in the sense that both use gas+oxygen to generate power.
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If battery is used to generate H2 which is used in ice - why not use battery directly tonpower the car and cut out the middle woman - which here is the electrolyzer and ice engine?
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dont waste your energy on explaining how the engine starts. He was perhaps comparing 2 in the sense that both use gas+oxygen to generate power.
You are misguiding here by quoting the super genius's stupidity. It is not the question how the engines start, both are designed differently and working on different principles. Your expert is not telling the truth. Go read yourself what I am talking about.
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If battery is used to generate H2 which is used in ice - why not use battery directly tonpower the car and cut out the middle woman - which here is the electrolyzer and ice engine?
That will be perpetual machine defying the second law of thermodynamics. Inventor is telling something different. He is utilizing chemical energy released by re-combining H2 and O2. This is not a brand new concept. I have posted a detailed article how this energy is used to run the engine. Read it.
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That will be perpetual machine defying the second law of thermodynamics. Inventor is telling something different. He is utilizing chemical energy released by re-combining H2 and O2. This is not a brand new concept. I have posted a detailed article how this energy is used to run the engine. Read it.
No idea why you would call a battery lowering the vehicle perpetual motion! I am saying use it as a bsttrry powered vehicle - of which therexare severalvaround.
I am aware of energy released from h2 z+o2. But what you have missed is that eneflgy source is still the battery. Due to inefficiency it will be less than battery energy. And inefficiency of ice makes end energy even less. I really don't need to read an article describing hydrogen combustion releasing energy to run a vehicle.
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It is a sad state of pakistani media that people are believing this fraud instead of real scientists like Dr Atta and hoodbhoy.
i know everyone wants to believe in this miracle but it is simply a fraud. sometimes things dont happen no matter how dearly you want them to.
apart from many flaws in his ever changing theories i want to point out two major plotholes. first is water is not used as a fuel , but it is used as medium to transfer the power. the real source of energy is the battery and once it drains out then everything stops.
second is if i remember correctly from my 12 th grade science distilled water cannot be electrolysed, or atleast the process will be mighty slow. he must have added some solvent to produce extra hydrogen.
and for the fraud part, look closely, he has an huge tube full of hydrogen in the "kit" even before he puts water in his magic device. the car is running from it which i am sure hamid mir, talat etc have missed.
it will take a 12th grade student to disprove his theory in 15 mins. i dont know why the news anchors havent deployed any real engineer to varify the claims. instead they connect him on phone with some "liberal facist" scientist just to discuss the theory.
i want hamid mir to get his car converted in to water car first and do the talking later.
too much media hype for this simple fraud has given your nation a very bad name. everyone is polishing their careers from this entire thing. i blame the scientific community for not standing up to this madness and stop it. it is not a blasphemy afterall to call his bull. i am disappointed in dr samerkand and dr bhopali. the stand they took only puts question mark on their credibility.
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^ i Think DC6 has posted here http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/568258-revolution-with-water-5.html#post9029407
The Answer from Dr. Hoodbhoy sums up the state of all … The guy himself, the Media, The scientists and last but not least the Politicians
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To his credit, the only person on TV that seemed to know this elementary principle was Dr Attaur Rahman, a chemist and a former HEC chairman. I have not agreed with all his actions and views in the past, but he alone rejected the claims about the new machine. Sadly, he was not able to hold back the tide of a nation desperate for any answer to its energy woes. .
Bravo! Hoodbhoy appreciating Attaur Rahman?!
It is sad to see only two out of many doctors to call a spade a spade. I think other doctors know it as well. This is why none of them has confronted Dr Atta and try to answer the objections he raised. But I think they are just taking a back seat.
For example, see Dr Pervaiz Rasheed,Chairman PCSIR. He appreciated the efforts and said that PCSIR will give him all support he wants for experiments, but he actually did not try to answer any question.
So I think Pakistani scientists are not stupid. It is just that they are good politicians too.
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distilled water cannot be electrolysed, or atleast the process will be mighty slow. he must have added some solvent to produce extra hydrogen.
That just might be the case. I read about similar claim of a car running on water alone. Later they found out that he was putting in a mixture of water and gasoline.
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*How the car engines and generator engines are similar? Aren't generator engines are two stroke which are started manually with strings? The generator's engine has magneto which creates spark for power stroke and does not require battery. *
Current generators in Pakistan are very much the same as a combustion engine used in a motorbike or a car. They have spark plugs, and use a battery to initiate combustion. In fact, many people use the same AGS or Exide 12V battery for the generators as is used in cars.
Due to similarity between current generators and combustion engines, many motor mechanics have become generator mechanics these days.
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Nadeem Patacha’s satire on this subject:
Science for the ummah | DAWN.COM
**The Al-Car
**Recently an enterprising Pakistani engineer claimed to have invented a car that is powered by water.Excited by the news, Pakistan’s, nay, the whole Muslim ummah (and some North Korean’s) favourite scientist, Dr. Qadeem Khan, endorsed the invention and demanded that the automobile be called ‘Islamic car.’
Of course, there was the usual whining from liberal fascists/scum/extremists who ridiculed the glorious invention as a product of ‘pseudo-science’ and technical quackery.
Since car hoti hai (it’s a she), the Al-Car cannot be taken out on the road without a cover. Drivers are required to use their instincts to navigate and if they are pious, angels are likely to help them in this regard.
The Al-Car does not use conventional fuel. It uses water. But since Pakistan does not want to harm brotherly country Saudi Arabia’s oil economy, the inventers of Al-Car have made sure that it only runs on Aab-e-Zamzam that is only available in brotherly Saudia.
At first the Al-Car will only be made available to the ummah. That is, of course, only to the men of the ummah. However, there will be ample space for women in the trunk.
Pakistan plans to unveil – unveil in the figurative sense, of course – this auto marvel as soon as the government dishes out a billion dollars to the inventor and releases Arsalan Iftikhar so this young dynamic Muslim entrepreneurial genius can help the inventor build a profitable (interest-free) production plant.
Preferably in Monte Carlo – after it has been conquered by General Zaid Hamid and after its population is converted (live on TV) by Mujahidan Mayan Khanam.
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Current generators in Pakistan are very much the same as a combustion engine used in a motorbike or a car. They have spark plugs, and use a battery to initiate combustion. In fact, many people use the same AGS or Exide 12V battery for the generators as is used in cars.
Due to similarity between current generators and combustion engines, many motor mechanics have become generator mechanics these days.
Can you quote the specifications and type of engines mostly used in portable generators in Pakistan? Just compare the engines with Toyota or Suzuki car. Are they using radiators with coolant running, as used in car engine? Are they self starting? If they are battery powered, what is the V and Amps of battery, how they are charged? What kind of alternator is provided in portable generators?
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I did not understand exactly what he is driving at. But then that’s SOP for Mr. Patacha [sic]
By the way, did he use bubble captions this time?
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this is what Pervez Hoodbhoy says
*"So, what is the problem? It’s that the laws of physics, in particular a fundamental scientific principle known as the Second Law of Thermodynamics, impose inviolable constraints. Every machine constructed anywhere uses the Second Law. This is something that I learned in my first year as a student at MIT and have taught for 40 years. No serious scientist would dream of challenging the Second Law. Agha Waqar Ahmad’s ‘water kit’, if one believes science to be right, simply cannot work. What the inventor, the ministers, the anchors and scientists claim on TV is wrong.
To his credit, the only person on TV that seemed to know this elementary principle was Dr Attaur Rahman, a chemist and a former HEC chairman. I have not agreed with all his actions and views in the past, but he alone rejected the claims about the new machine. Sadly, he was not able to hold back the tide of a nation desperate for any answer to its energy woes.
The water fraud will be exposed soon enough and, like a bad posterior smell, will go away. A simple experiment will make this happen faster. Here’s how: take an emergency electricity generator, of which there are thousands in Islamabad. Its engine is similar to that in a car. Remove the fuel tank and make sure the ‘water kit’ contains only water. Then ask the inventor to connect it up and run the generator. Let there be enough sharp-eyed witnesses of intelligence and integrity."
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What if he demonstrates that too as long car engine and generator engine are similar.
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It is a sad state of pakistani media that people are believing this fraud instead of real scientists like Dr Atta and hoodbhoy. i know everyone wants to believe in this miracle but it is simply a fraud. sometimes things dont happen no matter how dearly you want them to.
apart from many flaws in his ever changing theories i want to point out two major plotholes. first is water is not used as a fuel , but it is used as medium to transfer the power. the real source of energy is the battery and once it drains out then everything stops. second is if i remember correctly from my 12 th grade science distilled water cannot be electrolysed, or atleast the process will be mighty slow. he must have added some solvent to produce extra hydrogen.
and for the fraud part, look closely, he has an huge tube full of hydrogen in the "kit" even before he puts water in his magic device. the car is running from it which i am sure hamid mir, talat etc have missed.
it will take a 12th grade student to disprove his theory in 15 mins. i dont know why the news anchors havent deployed any real engineer to varify the claims. instead they connect him on phone with some "liberal facist" scientist just to discuss the theory. i want hamid mir to get his car converted in to water car first and do the talking later.
too much media hype for this simple fraud has given your nation a very bad name. everyone is polishing their careers from this entire thing. i blame the scientific community for not standing up to this madness and stop it. it is not a blasphemy afterall to call his bull. i am disappointed in dr samerkand and dr bhopali. the stand they took only puts question mark on their credibility.
Just one minor point - an electrolyzer is the reverse of a fuel cell whose reaction product is DI water. It does not depend on any salt for ionic conductivity. So feed is Ddeionized water or distilled water. Typically deionized water is used since di water is available more easily. Apply electricity and generate H2 and O2
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^ a proton conducting membrane is used for protons conduction.