Re: Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.
peace be on you,
I’m simply impressed how you would write just about anything just so your belief doesnt get hurt. Yes, i used Musa (AS)'s case and showed you how its not possible for a prophet to be in a group of a prophet who will come after him. If you see that hadith regarding Musa(AS) wanted to be in ummah of Muhammad PBUH, you will see that Allah said that you are before him and he will be after you and therefore, its not possible. Had it been possible for Jesus, it would have said it somewhere that the except for jesus, no other prophet can come or be a part of muslim ummah.
you’re drawing a lot of assumptions without backing up anything. I give u examples after examples in a hope that you will just ponder for sometime and just think about what im trying to say, but no, you’ve already decided to stick to what you believe in and continue to defend that belief without it having any solid proof.
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You were never successful in giving me just one hadith which clearly shows that the same Jesus, which was sent to bani israel 2011 years ago, in Nazareth is the same Jesus that will come in the latter days.
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you were never successful in providing me any hadith or quranic verse which clearly shows that Jesus was taken up to skies bodily by Allah.
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You’re speculating that it will be the same Jesus who came 2011 years ago whose been given 2 different tasks.
A new non-law bearing prophet can be appointed given that hes a true follower of Islam, but old prophets cant come.
Problem with your belief is that , to keep the belief of Jesus second coming, you have to make sure u dont start believing something that the mullah’s islam doesnt allow.
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you are a believer of someone who will come AFTER Muhammad PBUH , but dont want to say that u dont follow khatm e nabuwat literal meaning, and then you will go on and on to prove your point.
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You are a believer of someone who will come AFTER muhammad pbuh but cannot accept the fact that Allah can appoint someone within the muslim ummah, therefore, to fill the gap of someone, you decided to keep Jesus alive.
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You say no new non law bearing prophet can be appointed, but want Jesus to come back.. since, theres no concept of reincarnation in islam, you decided to believe that Jesus is still alive.. because once you believe he died, you will have no choice but to disregard 2 of your beliefs 1) no new prophet can come 2) Jesus died.
Please bro, dont just keep saying that i’m making weak arguments. I just want you to think outside of box, and not just keep believing what you have been always taught.
My points about the grouping of prophets, my point about how Musa (AS) was not granted the wish of being even a member of muslim ummah. To understand more about that hadith, i provided you 2 verses above about how prophetes are grouped. i.e : they can be in a party of a prophet prior to him but not after. All of these points you call weak points but to me are questions which require a lot of studying on that topic.
It seems to me that no matter how many examples i provide you from Quran or ahadith, you will always say that Jesus is an exception, and that just because Allah didnt allow that to happen before does not mean Allah cant do it with Jesus. Jesus has always been an ‘exception’ for you, no matter which verse of hadith is provided to you.
Go ahead, and take that literally too ![]()
It merely means that Allah will send a person a like of Isa (AS) , from heaven ( not literally from heaven, but means He will be a man of Allah. Descending does not mean literally coming down from sky ), and the angels represent the divine help He will bring with him.
the rest is up to you, how ever you translate it.
ps: i have provided you not one, but many verses from Quran in favor of jesus(as) passing away, in another thread that we once talked in. I can provide you many verses again, but you will not avail from it since you will always take Jesus (AS) as exception , as if hes not an ordinary human but someone more than that.
I will end this post with this shair.
ghairat ki ja hai Isa(AS) zinda ho aasmaaN per
madfoon ho zameen mein, shaah e jahaan (saw) hamaara.