Muslim attitudes towards rape [split: Muslim Women Gang Raped.. ]

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Re: Muslim attitudes towards rape [split: Muslim Women Gang Raped.. ]

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Saudia Arabia and Aids

In June, the Ministry of Health announced that more than 10,000 people in Saudi Arabia were infected with the virus, HIV, or had AIDS, including nearly 600 children. The numbers appear to show a sharp increase in infection over 2004, when 7,800 cases were reported, and 2003, when 6,700 cases were reported.

Officials say that better reporting is the reason for the growing numbers. But many doctors say even the latest figures are off, with the real numbers likely to be far higher in this country of 27 million people. One physician who has treated many patients who have been hiding their condition or were unaware of it estimated that the real number could be as high as 80,000.

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Women in Pakistan face spiralling rates of gender-based violence, a legal framework that is deeply biased against women, and a law enforcement system that re-traumatizes female victims instead of facilitating justice," according to a 1999 report by Human Rights Watch. Citing domestic violence rates as high as 90 per cent, at least eight reported rapes every 24 hours nationwide, and an alarming rise in so-called “honour” killings, the report states that such crimes continue to be perpetrated with near total impunity.
The report says law enforcement authorities routinely dismiss domestic violence as private disputes. Female victims attempting to register complaints of abuse are invariably turned away, and are regularly advised and sometimes pressured by the police to reconcile with their abusive spouses or relatives.
Women who report rape or sexual assault by strangers are often disbelieved and treated with disrespect. They must contend with abusive police, forensic doctors who focus on their virginity status instead of their injuries, untrained prosecutors, sceptical judges, and a discriminatory and deficient legal framework. “Only the most resilient and resourceful complainants can manoeuvre such hostile terrain,” says the report. “And those who do seldom see their attackers punished.”
Pakistan’s rape law, the Offence of Zina Ordinance, allows marital rape, does not establish the crime of statutory rape, and in some cases does not permit the female victim to testify.
The report says women’s rights advocacy organizations have been subjected to intimidation, including government surveillance and threats that they would be banned.
Source: Human Rights Watch. 1999. Crime or Custom: Violence against Women in Pakistan. Web site: <www.hrw.org/reports/1999/pakistan>.

Women Living Under Muslim Law has mounted a World Wide Web campaign around the denial of women’s rights in Islamic societies; it directs support to the Association of the Women of Afghanistan, among others. WomenNet in South Africa used the Internet for a Stop Rape campaign supported by international signatories.

Peace Uberalles

The point of Iconoclast’s data was to demonstrate that it is a norm in enlightened countries such as America for people known in legal terms as ‘girls’ to have consented sex before the age of legal adulthood.

The STD data was a side issue; now you have responded with another piece of data about STD growth in Saudi. No doubt most of that growth is due to Saudi students travelling to more ‘morally degraded societies’. Trust me I know what goes on. The reality is that even in today’s society around the whole world there are people engaging in sexual relations with consent that are below the ‘legal’ age or considered by your standards as children.

Until you shift your understanding of what is or is not considered a child only then can you progress your understanding of the beauty of Islam. Rather you fail to realise that these people who engage in sex have no legal ties with each other. They can but come to bed and leave and women often want to develop relationships and settle with their male sexual partners but the system allows men to continue on their sexual liberated activities without any committment binding them.

Islam only allows sex to be undertaken within the confines of a marriage and marriage can only take place with the consent of both parties - wife and husband.

I defend the right of that woman who after reaching maturity WANTS to get married, but I do not defend her right to have sex outside marriage even if she is 20 years old, because that action will not protect her. At least a husband takes care of his wife’s needs.

The system you are backing turns a blind eye to adultery and fornication but focusses on age only. There are places in the UK where low class white girls that I know of have had sex and continue to do so with their teenage boyfriends from the ages of 8 and 9. Of course this is terrible because the society allows such freedom but at the same time it is an injustice to have a society that promotes sex so much but punishes people from getting married at those very ages that they begin to start having sex.

Places like Pakistan, however, are twisted for other reasons there is no security there. Young children will not have consented sex with one another like in these societies but rather they will stay blissfully ignorant of this until a ‘badmash’ comes in and does ‘rape’. This however, should not be equated with a man legally getting married to woman much younger than himself, because she should be doing it through acceptable methods. If however, it is seen that money is being exchanged or the girl is not approving the marriage then Islam is first to prevent such a marriage we do not need the likes of pro-Western pseudo-rights activists to tell us this is wrong.