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In Q&A Quiz thread, a question is being asked “Which Prophet was raised up by Allah SWT and He will retun before the end of this world?”. The answer is ‘Hazrat Isa A.S.’.
I invite you all to please discuss/enlight with reference “Hazrat Isa’s a.s. raised up and return before the end of this world by Allah SWT”.
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Quran 3:55: “**Behold! Allah said: 'O Jesus! I wil take thee *1 And raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehood) *2 of those who blaspheme; I will make those Who follow thee superior 3 to those who reject Faith, to the Day of Resurrection: The shall ye all Return unto Me, And i will Judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute 1.”
***1 **It is said that the Jews neither crucified nor killed Jesus, but that another was killed in his likeness. The guilt of the Jews remained, but Jesus was eventually taken up to God.
***2 **Jesus was charged by the Jews with blasphemy as claiming to be God or the son of God. The Christians (except a few early sects which were annihilated by persecution, and the modern sect of Unitarians, who are almost Muslims) adopted the substance of the claim, and made it the corner-stone of their faith. God clears Jesus of such a charge or claim.
***3 **Those who follow thee: The Muslims are the true Christians, for they follow (or should follow) the true teaching of Christ, which did not include the blasphemy that he was God or the son of God in the literal sense. But there is a large body of men who by birth inherit such teaching nominally, but their hearts do not consent to it. Their real Muslim virtues (which from their point of view they call Christian virtues) entitle them to be called Christians, and to receive the leading position which they at present occupy in the world of men.
***4 **All the controversies about dogma and faith will disappear when we appear before God. He will judge not by what we profess but by what we are.
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Ok LKK, let us start the discussion. the verse you quoted is here and we translate it as
**When Allah said, ‘O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will exalt thee to Myself, and will clear thee from (the charges of) those who disbelieve, and will place those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ.
**We will discuss the word 'Mutawafeeka' a bit later. This verse is about four promises that Allah revealed to Isa ibn mariam (as) about the time when jews planned to give a disgraceful death to this true prophet of Allah in order to prove that he was not a true prophet and he was not the one he claimed to be. about whom jewish people were waiting. Crucifixion and deaths of similar sorts were considered accursed as per jewish scripture. That is the reason even Christians say that Jesus (as) took the curse on himself .....Now in the wake of such dangers, Allah revealed to hazrat isa (as) that
1) Jews will not be able to kill Isa (as) as Allah will give him a natural death
2) Allah will exalt him to Himself. Exaltation of a person towards Allah means raising of spirtual status before Allah. Raising up bodily alive are the exclusive meanings drafted for the case of Isa (as). Allah is everywhere so the idea of physical travel towards Him is absurd. In that case, we will have to assume that Allah was not there from where he moved. The raising of jesus (as) is mentioned in reply to the false claim of jews that he died an accursed death on the cross.
3) Third promise could be taken in two ways i.e., ‘I will clear (purify) thee of those people who disbelieved’ almost literal meaning. It means that Allah pledged to take him (as) away from those who disbelieved, those who planned against him
Secondly, it could mean that Allah Himself will exonerate Isa of the charges of the disbelievers and he did so through the holy Quran
4) I leave this point now as it is not directly related to the topic of discussion
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.....Now in the wake of such dangers, Allah revealed to hazrat isa (as) that
1) Jews will not be able to kill Isa (as) as Allah will give him a natural death
Peace kchughtai
Please permit me to opine a modification to the above ...
In Bible Matthew 4:1-7
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Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "'He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will **not strike your foot **against a stone.'"
Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"
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As you can see not only will nobody be able to kill Jesus (AS) ... they will not even be able to harm him ...
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Will everyone in the world recognise him as Hazrat Isa as or will some still deny that he's a prophet of any kind?
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It's unlikely in the End Times denying is going to be an option ... if they caught by Dajjal they will not see any other truth than him and if they are lucky they will become believers upon Isa (AS) setting eyes upon them.
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I never understood this but when Isa (AS) is resurrected again, will he be born again as a baby? or in resurrected in his adult form? is there any details in the Quran/Bible in how that will be done?
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I never understood this but when Isa (AS) is resurrected again, will he be born again as a baby? or in resurrected in his adult form? is there any details in the Quran/Bible in how that will be done?
Peace njgal
Isa(AS) will be resurrected when we all get resurrected ... Isa (AS) will return - he never died. We should not confuse the resurrection with the second coming. There are hadith that say how he (AS) will return the Mahdi will be leading a prayer I think it is 'asr or Fajr and Isa (AS) will remain as a follower and allow Mahdi to lead the jammat. He will come down on the shoulders of two angels.
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hhhmm would u plz quote that hadhith psyah!! peace.
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It's unlikely in the End Times denying is going to be an option ... if they caught by Dajjal they will not see any other truth than him and if they are lucky** they will become believers upon Isa (AS) setting eyes upon them**.
" if they are caught by dajjal, they will still see the only 'truth' i.e., Isa (as)". What do you mean by that? Doesn't make sense to me.
"people will become believers by Isa (as) setting eyes on them".
yeah and what about disbelievers dying of his breath?
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As far as I know islam, Jesus is dead and gone and will not come back at all. It is a christian belief that jesus was raised from dead and was raised to heaven and will come back to rule the world.
Surah 5 v116-118.
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In the beginning, I would like to stay focused on the proof of death of Isa (as), mainly from the holy Quran and then from other sources.
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In the beginning, I would like to stay focused on the proof of death of Isa (as), mainly from the holy Quran and then from other sources.
Dear Kchughtai, what do you mean by proof? Could you please define word proof?
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Peace All,
The end of the life of Jesus on earth is as much involved in mystery as his birth, and indeed the great part of his private life, except the three main years of his ministry. It is not profitable to discuss the many doubts and conjectures among the early Christian sects and among Muslim theologians. The Orthodoz Christian Churches make it a cardinal point of their doctrine that his life was taken on the Cross, that he died and was buried, that on the third day he rose in the body with his wound intact, and walked about and onversed, and ate with his disciples, and was afterwards taken up bodily to heaven. This is necessary for the theological doctrine of blood sacrifice and vicarious atonement for sins, which is rejected by Islam. But some of the early Christian sects did nto believe that Christ was killed on the Cross. The Basilidans believed that someone else was substitued for him. The Docetae held that Christ never had a real physical or natural body, but only an apparent or phantom body, and that his Crucifixion was only apparent, not real. The Marcionite Gospel (about A.D. 138) denied that Jesus was born, and merely said that he appeared in human form. The Gospel of St. Barnabas supported the theory of substituion on the Cross. The Quranic teaching is that Christ was not crucified nor killed by the Jews, notwithstanding certain apparent circumstances which produced that illusion in the minds of some of his enemies; that disputations, doubts, and conjectures on such matters are vain; and that he was taken up to God.
There is difference of opinion as to the exact interpretation of this verse. The words are: The Jews did not kill Jesus, but God raised him up (rafa'a) to Himself. One school holds that Jesus did not die the usual human death, but still lives in the body in heaven; another holds that he did die (Quran 5:75, 120) but not when he was supposed to be crucified, and that his being 'raised up' unto God means that instead of being disgraced as a malefactor, as the Jews intended, he was on the contrary honoured by God as His Apostle.
**Before his death **Interpreters are not agreed as to the exact meaning. Those who hold that Jesus did not die refer the pronoun 'his' to Jesus. They say that Jesus is still living in the body and that he will apprear just before the Final Day in preparation of teh comin gof Imam Mahdi, (as psyah bhai explained) when the world will be purified of sin and unbelief. There will be a final death before the final Resurrection, but all will have believed before that final death. Others think that 'his' is better referred to 'none of the People of the Book', and that the emphatic form 'must believe' (la-un-minanna) denotes more a question of duty than of fact.
(Above explanation of Verses 157, 158 and 159 Chpter 4 from Holy Qur'an)
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Peace Mughal1,
Please stay with us in this thead and read what Islam (Holy Qur’an and Hadith) says about this.
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Dear Kchughtai, what do you mean by proof? Could you please define word proof?
I meant to say that the verses that indicate regarding Isa (as) that he is not alive any more. Are you comfortable with my wording now?
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Peace Mughal1,
Please stay with us in this thead and read what Islam (Holy Qur'an and Hadith) says about this.
Thank you dear lethal kamikaze. As I understand the quran, death of jesus is very easy to prove from the quran. However as you are well aware we are far too much into make beliefs rather than following evidence hence the problem of sectism in the ummah. It is because we are brought up to believe certain things and then we read the quran just to verify our beliefs rather than letting the quran educate us about itself.
For me to argue from my point of view to prove my point I need to know whether people I am arguing with are up to scratch or not ie are we at same wave length or not? If we have no common ground then first of all we must work out one because arguing without any indisputable basis is aimless and absurd because it cannot produce any end result therefore aimless arguments serve no purpose. In other word that is just arguing for sake of arguing.
I do not know if anyone here knows how to define proof and what does it mean to prove. How such terms fit in with wider concepts of truth.
The quran tells us that Allah created people ignorant but with brains and senses and capability to learn and become knowledgeable and wise eg see 16/78 and various other verses.
We are told avoid arguing with ignoirant people 25/63.
We are told to be wise by pondering over verses of the quran and be not like dumb and deaf 4/82, 25/73
The quran tells us find common ground eg 3/64.
Argue wisely and nicely 16/125, 25/63 etc.
We are told the quran contains evidences and proofs eg 4/174, 6/104 etc.
The quran tells us to demand evidences and proofs of others to prove their claims eg 2/111, 21/24, 23/117, 27/64 etc.
So one can see dozens of verses in the quran about proof and proving so the quran clearly demands that those who believe anything about God believe on basis of proof and those who believe otherwise must produce their proofs. Any who fails is a liar and will face consequences in due course for that.
So importane of proof and proving cannot be over emphasised in light of the quran.
This is why my question, what is proof and proving all about? Because without proper underst*****ng of these concepts we cannot proceed.
regards and all the best.
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I meant to say that the verses that indicate regarding Isa (as) that he is not alive any more. Are you comfortable with my wording now?
Dear kchughtai, when we talk about islam and real world or science there are some very basic facts that we must understand so that we could clearly see the proper relationship between islam and science otherwise we will be causing a lot of deliberate contradcitions between the quran and science without even realising. Regardless we are talking about the quran or universe the main thing is our own brains and senses because without them there is no way to make sense of either of them. The main points are as follows:
1)There should not be any doubt in our minds that we have brains so it would be a very good idea to use them for processing information.
2)There should not be any doubt that we have senses, so it would be good idea to use them to give our brains access to information or window into ourselves and our environment.
3)There should not be any doubt that we have been blessed with mechanism of body so let us take ourselves as far as possible to search and explore our universe as much as and as far as we can.
4)It is also true that each little steps leads us to next step and that is how we make progress and develop. Through observation, deduction and confirmnation ideas give rise to further ideas leading us to further actions.
5) When we find consistency and unformity in nature about various mechanism, processes, phenomenas we generalise things for practical purposes and try to build on those things. However, we are never in a position to assert 100% that we have not made any mistake in our explanations of things because we are only saying something about something as much as we have come to know about it ie it is never a full poicture nor free of human error. The rest is still out there to be found out and explained and human error may go undetected.
6) As we discover new facts or discover more aspects of the same facts we may be able to explain them by way of already existing explanations or we may have to revise our explanations as the situations demand. Discovery is an unending road and a road that we have never travelled before so what we find round each coming bend is unknown. It may be something like we have already come across or it may be something totally new or it may be familiar in some aspects and unfamiliar in other aspects.
7)This is why truth is looked at in two different ways a)absolute truth and b)relative truth.
Absolute truth is true by its very nature because it is independent of observer but relative truth depends on observer therefore depends on where you position yourself relative to the thing you are observing that decides what is truth as per your stand point or viewing angle. For example, if you can only observe a wall from one side then you cannot say much about the other side of it. Also it is not always possible to observe things directly therefore not all things are self evident for us, so we depend on others to tell us about many of them but then an element of doubt also pops in our minds as to whether our witness is telling us truth or is he mistaken or lying to us hence the need for us to test the witness statement as much as is within our capability.
Another problem we have is that not all events happen before some witness therefore the only proof we can have is clues to the events ie circumstancial evidences that make it more likely based upon propabilities.
Thus relative truth strength wise has three degrees for evidence.
Unless it is possible to prove any relative truth by these rules it cannot be taken as true beyond a mere possibility as there is no other way to prove it true no matter what.
Hope this explains human approach to truth and why it can only and only be a limited approach because it begins and ends with human brain and senses and what they make of it in light of available evidences.
So regardless the relative truth is claimed in the name of God or science, both are subject to same rules because of human involvement because humans can only work the way they do when it comes to making sense of or making judgemnts about relative truths or facts or issues and points.
regards and all the best.
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we are brought up to believe certain things and then we read the quran just to verify our beliefs rather than letting the quran educate us about itself.
The quran tells us that Allah created people ignorant but with brains and senses and capability to learn and become knowledgeable and wise eg see 16/78 and various other verses.
We are told avoid arguing with ignoirant people 25/63.
We are told to be wise by pondering over verses of the quran and be not like dumb and deaf 4/82, 25/73
The quran tells us find common ground eg 3/64.
Argue wisely and nicely 16/125, 25/63 etc.
We are told the quran contains evidences and proofs eg 4/174, 6/104 etc.
The quran tells us to demand evidences and proofs of others to prove their claims eg 2/111, 21/24, 23/117, 27/64 etc.
**So one can see dozens of verses in the quran about proof and proving so the quran clearly demands that those who believe anything about God believe on basis of proof and those who believe otherwise must produce their proofs. Any who fails is a liar and will face consequences in due course for that.
**So importane of proof and proving cannot be over emphasised in light of the quran.
This is why my question, what is proof and proving all about? Because without proper underst*****ng of these concepts we cannot proceed.
regards and all the best.
red text is as a question and black is it answer. I think the peoples are here trying to do/act same as you wrote above in bold text except saying like you that 'I do this I do that, This is how, that is how' bla bla. Why don't you stick to the topic and drail this thread what is it about. Forget with whom you are arguing. If you have 100% correct information with support of your proofs and evidences than share it. What are you waiting for? If you can't than what is purpose of your post #18 and 19?