Respect of Women

Society Religion & Philosophy
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Peace The Player,

Thanx for replying. :)

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Oh God i so not wanted to post on this thread again but its really hard not not ask questions when u r totally ignore common sense.

If hindus dont have a sharia and a hindu ends up living in a land which is islamic. According to laws of the land he cant drink, cant eat pork, Is allowed to eat halal meat and whatever is allowed by the law of the land he qualifies for it all :)

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Peace The Player

I asked you this question earlier:

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Going to prison can be a consequence of good karma as well ...

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right?
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to which you answered ...

Please hear my story and tell me what you make of it ...

There was a vizier who advised a very short termpered king. The king loved to go on the hunt for game animals with his knights. But one day he fell ill and told his vizier about his illness and that he was too ill to go hunting with his knights. The vizier said don't be sad may be it is a blessing that you are ill ... the king became so angry that he locked the vizier up in the jail. And then reclined to his room and shut his door.

In the meantime the knights were out and a vicious wild beast attacked them and killed all but one who it injured. The injured knight came back to the castle and the wild beast followed him. The wild beast killed all the people in castle and the injured knight and went away without killing the king who was sick in bed behind a locked door and the vizier who was locked away in prison.

After a day the king awoke perfectly well and walked out and saw that all had been killed. He checked his whole castle but only found the vizier alive. He asked the vizier and the vizier said that he heard one of the knight warn about a crazy beast on the loose. The king realised that the vizier was correct the illness was a blessing for him and indeed locking up the vizier in the prison was a blessing for him too.

The moral of the story is that suffering and not getting what you want is not always a bad thing ... it may a blessing in disguise.

Do you think this concept is compatible with karma? If so ... is going to prison a result of good or bad karma?

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Yes, I know many Hindus who live in KSA and follow the laws (Islamic) there. Its easier to follow laws that prohibit certain things i.e. eating pork. They don't force Hindus to eat pork.

True, it depends on the situation. However, Hindus believe that bad results for a person who has only done good karma in this life can be explained by bad karma from a previous life/incarnation :)

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How gullible do you think people are?

Just because LK may not know what you are blatantly lying about and is being nice to you does not mean you are correct.

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WELL, MASHALLAH, MY BROTHER, HE WAS FOCUSING ON ONE QUESTION WHERE YOU PEOPLE GIVE HIM GOOD, AND LET YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HIM ALL ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF WOMEN IN ISLAM,, I HOPE HE GOT THIS ALL....

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You miss my point ... if going to jail can neither been conclusively seen as bad or good karma - then how do you define good or bad?

For example: If a woman were to have several husbands is that a result of good or bad karma?

Is it respectful for a woman to have many husbands beyond having just the one? Is that respect coming with a price or is respect given regardless. A woman figure may be a deity she is worshipped for that - is that respect given to her for being a deity or for being a woman?

So far the one area of respect I have seen that is cogent and good is the rank of the mother given in Hinduism ... however this does not surpass the Islamic one ... for arguments sake let's say it is the same ... what respect for women does Hinduism give above and beyond Islam? I can't find it.

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Can you elaborate how I am "lying" ?

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I think you missed the point, psyah. Let me repeat - going to jail is not karma. It is the result of karma. *One may not get the result of a bad *karma immediately but is bound to get the result sooner or later. So you may have a situation where a good *karma *is followed by a bad result, leading the simple minded to think that why did I get a bad result for a good *karma. *The Hindu belief is that he bad result is due to a previous bad *karma. *In other words actions and results are not always sequential.

As for your other question, Hinduism does not recommend polygamy. You might say that many Hindus have indulged in polygamy. Thats true, but it was not sanctioned by religion.

I do not want to repeat myself again, but Hinduism (unlike Islam) does not treat women as inferior to men and have a separate set of rules for women and men. I have provided examples in my earlier posts.

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I could not resist myself coming back here...

There are wrongly construed statements,`The Player' is making here.

First of all he says Hinduism does not have Sharia equivalent laws.That's a wrong statement. Manusmriti (or Manav Dharmasastra) is a religious code and conduct text of Hindus.

Next he goes on to the extent of saying that Goddess Durga is a mythical form. If that's the case each and every form of gods and goddess in this world,affiliated with various religions are all myths .

Again he is talking within the domain of Hindu life in present India.Yes to sins perpetrated ,the laws of land are only applicable.But this was not the case when the vedic way of life was in force. The punishments were given according to the texts only.

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Again Manusmriti clearly shows how the women should be treated…Such elaborate details can never be found in any text…

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_extramarital.asp

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Thank you Arlietter ... you have brought truth and "evidence" regarding your faith - something The Player failed to do ...

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That makes sense now. :k:

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Manusmriti has never been accepted as authoritative. Moreover, the text has been subjected to various subsequent interpolations and is no longer what it might have been intended to be. No Hindu institution/temple etc considers Manusmriti as a religious text and its guidance is not implemented.

If you dig deeper than the superficial, you will find that all deities basically stem from the one and only Brahman. Let me know if you are unable to google it, and I can provide you some more context.

Yes, the whole discussion focuses on today. I am sure you are well aware that Hinduism has adapted from what it used to be thousands of years ago to the extent that most of what happened then is no longer relevant today.

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The Manu Smriti was one of the first Sanskrit texts studied by the British. It was first translated into English by the founder of indology, Sir William Jones. His version was published in 1794.[21]](Manusmriti - Wikipedia) British administrative requirements encouraged their interest in the Dharmashastras, which they believed to be legal codes. In fact, these were not codes of law but norms related to social obligations and ritual requirements.[22]](Manusmriti - Wikipedia) According to Avari:

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http://www.hinduwebsite.com/onegod.asp

You might want to read up on the concept of Brahman in Hinduism. Hopefully that will answer your question.

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I think you have been answered already.

Hinduism has a code of conduct and punishment sanctined for adultry.
Reading your answer as I post so bear with me. :)

OK read your answer.

What I think you should say that there may not be a specific code of conduct for a specific act in hinduism per se which is strict

but still there are general rules and associated punishments attached to breech of any conduct in Hinduism. Surely one would expect that.

The universalism does not mean not following any set rules, I think.

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first women should be respected but women should also behave in a way that they get respected i

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Amazing ignorance!!!

Manusmriti is the the vital text in rooting the caste system in ancient India and the caste system is being followed even today(Even at the time of Mr.Arleitter is making this post).Tell me which Indian state has abolished caste system. I myslef hail from Sindhi community and the moment I marry a girl/Aunty from a lower community I am ostracized from my community.This is a naked reality and nobody can deny it. Lots of bloodspills have happened in this name ,the caste system (I am not talking about it's positiv/Negative signs here) but it's a reality and Manusmiriti strongly advocates this practise and your statement regarding no institution has accepted or acknowledged it ,is a sheer ignorance.If no quarter has accpeted it then why the caste system is not abolished?

Now I would divert your attention to the Indonesian state of Bali where the ancient Hindu caste system is being folllowed even today.I am just making this statement to point out the fact that the caste system is not confined in India alone.

Ancient Indian times had followed Manusmriti rules ,under various kings and in various Indian kingdoms.

Now you have relied on Sankaracharya's Advaita concept to defend your statement.By the same token each and every god /goddess affiliated to each and every religion in this world is from a single source and you should call of them myths.The same statement I have mentioned earlier. Can you do that?

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It was under the British rule many of the ancient Indian beliefs and systems got a dent. Rather than buying the statements of westners I will go by what the experienced sages and professors of the Indian civilization and culture have professed.