I suggest you to read the book, mainay dhaka doobtay dekha...and thats a book by some Pakistani diplomat...which I have found balanced, and not one sided as we are fed in Pakistan...
CM,
If Mujib had been killed, another leader would have arisen.
The fundamental issue was that West Pakistanis considered themselves racially superior to the "kallu" Bangalis.
It was not a one man issue.
An amazingly honest, frank Editorial. i feel like writing to the Editor just to thank him/her for publishing that.
Thank you, Zaavia, for opening this thread. :flower1: :k: Your attempt at honesty is truly admirable Masha’Allah.
ps- please no one jump down my throat, just my two cents.
thanks Nadia for your encouragement... :)
actually a few months back when i accidently discovered a bangladeshi forum, i was shocked by their feelings towards the pakistanis...in pakistan we usually shy away from 1971, thats why its given a very small part of our history...its a very important part of our history, which cant be just wished away, we need to find the root causes for the issue, so that it might be avoided in the future...
You're very welcome, Zaavia.
Although i was a bit scared to reply in this thread because of previous posts of mine in this Forum:~| A fellow Pakistani's attempt to dig out the truth (however embarassing and painful it may be for us), infact makes me prouder to be Pakistani; you make me prouder to call myself Pakistani. It is accurate that we shy away from 1971. If we study the root causes of this issue, we may be able to prevent Insha'Allah another such awful repeat of history. It's easy to adopt popular stances; as that saying goes, 'what is right is not always popular and what is popular is not always right'. It takes courage to do what you are doing in this thread, and i for one truly admire it.
as far as the 1971 fiasco is concerned, there were mistakes commited from both sides, but what we should be doing is to find out the mistakes what we comitted, and NOT focus on those of bangladeshis...if we try to think logically, there might be some genuine reasons which made the bangladeshis our enemies...i believe that if the bangladeshis had the faith in pakistan, they would have resisted the indian invasion and not sided with them...
i think that this is the profile of the author of book that i quoted...
South Asia exploded in 1971. Throughout this fateful year Siddiq Salik was in Dhaka as a uniquely privileged observer and participant in the political and human drama which culminated in the Indo-pakistan was and the creation of Bangladesh. During his two years as a prisoner of war, he was able to ponder and digest the facts and analyse the complex
circumstances which underaly the high drama.
He has produced an authoritative narrative, dispassionate in tone and firmly anchored in fact. After setting the scene with a comprehensive overview of the political turbuleence of the period, he gives us the first detailed professional account of the war itself ever to be published.
Siddiq Salik studied English Literature and International Affairs at the Punjab University Lahore. He began his career as a lecturer but soon turned to journalism, working in the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting before joining the Pakistan Army as a Public Relations Officer.
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I suggest you to read the book, mainay dhaka doobtay dekha...and thats a book by some Pakistani diplomat...which I have found balanced, and not one sided as we are fed in Pakistan...
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And i suggest you speak to a Bengali in BD. I never said we didnt commit crimes, we did. But the hatred many say is within the Bengali people, is not there. We bring it up. As for Siddiq Salik read his book "Witness to Surrender". The book is maginficant. I have read it over 3 times. But it is extremely old, 1972 print. I doubt you can get a recent publication of it.
Talwar why do you care? You have been here so many times under so many nicks, GS should give you a medal for loyalty.
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Talwar why do you care? You have been here so many times under so many nicks, GS should give you a medal for loyalty.
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Nonsense.
This is the only nick I have ever had. This is slander.
And why do I care? Because it is a part of the history of the Subcontinent and is intertwined with any person from South Asia.
I suggest you read BBC Correspondent Owen Bennett-Jones' book on Pakistan to see if the hatred was there or not.
Or even read, AAK Niazi's book.
I have read so many books on this subject, talked to people, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Indians who fought in 1971 and I believe I have views to contribute.
Now, please stick to the topic instead of spreading false allegations about me.
CM, maybe the book 'witness to surrender' by Siddiq Salik is the English version of his book in urdu 'mainay dhaka doobtay dekha'...i am not sure though....
Sure...sure talwar...of course it is slander.
Niazi's book is crap. It is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to protray a vile man as a honorable warrior. Have you actually read the book? He spends the first 2 chapters discussing how grand a officer he was during the british raj. It is nothing more than a man doing a pathetic job of protraying himself as a saviour. He is boastful and arrogant.
As for Owen, the book is a publication of the 80's is it not? I dont really trust any books from that era because there were a number of so called authors out there who wrote books about Pakistan without an inch of credible proof.
A lot like the so called Al Qaeda specialists these days. A majority havent left their whole in the wall and cant even spell Islam.
Owen Bennett Jones’ book was released in October 2002. Hot off the presses.
Bennett-Jones was BBC’s Reporter in Pakistan for many years so his expertise is not to be doubted.
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in which the writer, says that in the late 60's the people of Bengal used to hate Pakistanis...
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Yaar Zaavia, if you go back start up digging history, the hatred was started in 1947 as Mujeebur-e-Raham, wanted Quaid-e-Azam to declare Bengali as a National language along with Urdu, which Mr. Jinnah did afterwards.
People who were in 71 era, just look at who they ended up --> ZAB by his own people, Mujeeb-ur-Raham by his own people.
PT those guys used to feel that they are being economically exploited by Pakistan, as all the jute was present in Bangladesh, and the processing factories were in Pakistan...
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PT those guys used to feel that they are being economically exploited by Pakistan, as all the jute was present in Bangladesh, and the processing factories were in Pakistan...
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That is correct, Zaavia. Sometimes, I think we are much better off without them. We do have good relations with Bangladesh now as they were worst in 71.
I was reading an article way back about 71 Fall of Dhaka. It was Urdu News, published in Saudi Arabia. Author name was Rana[Can't think of last name rightnow]. In her article, she included a pharase of Gen. Yahya Khan about Bangladesh in which he said:
Bangladesh was a part of Pakistan. Sooner or later, it will join Pakistan again.
When I first read it, I was like WOW, did he really said that? I tried to look up for this quote in libraries, asking those people who are young in 71, but I ended up with nothing. There was no such kind of quote Gen. Yahya said in his life; and I'm sure that B@stard never said that!
well now i think we cant go back 30 years, but what we can do is to improve the relationship between the different provinces we have now...it was neither feasible, then or now, to have two wings separated by thousands of miles, with a hostile neighbour inbetween...i started this thread to evaluate the reasons for that mishap so it could be avoided in the future, in what remains of Pakistan now...since our neighbour will try all kind of mishiefs like always...
It will improve Zaavia as Jamali knows local languages. Nice choice of Musharraf, doesn't it? :D
well thats for sure he is the best choice amongst the other members of PML-Q...thank goodness it aint the crook Shujaat, he doesnt even know how to speak...
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well thats for sure he is the best choice amongst the other members of PML-Q...thank goodness it aint the crook Shujaat, he doesnt even know how to speak...
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So, you agree with the choice of Musharraf, don't you? :D
I believe it's a great milestone in the history of Pakistan as we never had a PM, President or COAS, who can speak Sindhi, Punjabi, Pushto, Baluchi languages.
Prime Minister Jamali is a good chioce; pinning my hope on that.; and I'm sure he'll definitely make the difference; and people won't feel betrayed in the future, Inshallah.
inshaAllah...i hope so!!!
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Precisely,
Benazir has already gotta home in London. News about Nawaz could be possible as his son lives in London. Another leader, Altaf Hussian has been living in London for more than a decade on self-exile.
RajputFury I liked your response last one to Imdad. I wish more people from province Punjab like you come farward and explain people of rest of the provinces that they are their brothers and sisters; and treat them equal as human beings from any aspect. Provincial hatred has been killing Pakistan like termites, which is why I always prefer Nationalism!
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I would recommend getting them to meet with each other in the same London location and dropping a precision bomb to rid Pakistan of the 3 evils. Don't tell me that I am being unjust with politicians, I am all for giving politicians a chance, but these 3 monsters have run us into the ground so as far as I am concerned they are traitors to our country.
PT yara, I absolutely believe in what I say. My family and I have always put Pakistan first. We are Pakistanis before anything else, and we love all of our brothers and sisters in every province, regardless of religion, beliefs, languages. I absolutely despise hate mongers who come here stereotyping people and creating divisions between us. After reading our history and the sacrifices made by our elders, I sincerely believe that Pakistan is still the beacon of hope for the Muslim Ummah.