Relatives back in India

[Southie]

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@ S’S I have no relatives in Mexico or Canada.

[amber19]

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@PyariCgudia

They may be relatives, but fact of the matter is, they don’t like Pakistan. They don’t like the country YOU stand for. They don’t like the PEOPLE who are now your brethren by the choice of your grandfathers who decided to move to Pakistan.

They don’t like us. So then I don’t really care to know who they are or keep in touch.

They’ve all had a choice to move since then, and be part of Jinnah’s dream of a muslim nation. They decided to stay with hindus and be minorities instead and then play up to the hindu majority. Yes, including people that may be your relatives. Maybe they are nice to you at your chai parades with them, but they do not have any positive feelings for Pakistan.

And that’s treachery to your religion, in my book.

Sorry but I don’t agree. If Indian Muslims really did hate Pakistan and Pakistani Muslims there would be no such thing as marriages between both nations.
I’m married to a Pakistani and his family and mine never brought up India vs. Pakistan into the scenario. And there’s plenty of marriages like mine. It’s not like there aren’t Hindus & Sikhs living in Pakistan today? I’ve seen the Mandirs in Karachi myself and the Gurdwaras in Lahore and there are sizeable minorities living in Pakistan too. Does that mean those people are cut off from their relatives in India? I don’t know how your family dynamics are so if you guys break relations over nationalities that’s your call.

That’s like saying since my parents immigrated to Canada in the 1980’s they are traitors to India. People move for their family’s future not because they have a deep rooted hatred for their original nation. That makes no sense. Tomorrow if Canada isn’t a great place to raise my kids, would my husband and I pick up and move elsewhere? Hell yes.

[bella88]

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@PyariCgudia

They may be relatives, but fact of the matter is, they don’t like Pakistan. They don’t like the country YOU stand for. They don’t like the PEOPLE who are now your brethren by the choice of your grandfathers who decided to move to Pakistan.

They don’t like us. So then I don’t really care to know who they are or keep in touch.

They’ve all had a choice to move since then, and be part of Jinnah’s dream of a muslim nation. They decided to stay with hindus and be minorities instead and then play up to the hindu majority. Yes, including people that may be your relatives. Maybe they are nice to you at your chai parades with them, but they do not have any positive feelings for Pakistan.

And that’s treachery to your religion, in my book.

just because they chose not to live in pakistan doesn’t mean they hate pakistan. your parents chose to leave Pakistan to move to US, does that mean they hate pakistan?
if an indian muslim feels patriotic towards India, their home country, that doesn’t make them anti-pakistan. its strange how you are attacking them for staying with the hindu majority yet no criticsm for those millions of pakistani muslims who are leaving pakistan everyday to settle into non-muslim western countries for a better life. aren’t they going against Jinnah’s dream?

[Mezhgan]

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@bella88

just because they chose not to live in pakistan doesn’t mean they hate pakistan. your parents chose to leave Pakistan to move to US, does that mean they hate pakistan?
if an indian muslim feels patriotic towards India, their home country, that doesn’t make them anti-pakistan***. its strange how you are attacking them for staying with the hindu majority yet no criticsm for those millions of pakistani muslims who are leaving pakistan everyday to settle into non-muslim western countries for a better life. aren’t they going against Jinnah’s dream?***

Not only that but that is never the criteria for choosing where to settle, at least for most normal people. People choose where to settle based on where they think their families will be better off and have a better quality of life, not nationalism or loyalty to an ideology or religion. It is ridiculous to expect people to put loyalty to an ideology above the well being of their family.

[khoji]

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Not a single relative in India. That murderous lowlife ehsan-faramosh Hindu sadist raja of Bharatpur tried to kill every Muslim under his control. So everyone from our family living there for a thousand year in Agra and Pehersar, left for good.

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[shaasavera]

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I don’t see why Indians Muslims should be looked at with suspicion just because of partition and the actions of non muslims towards muslims. I don’t see how they are responsible. Also not all hold negative sentiments about Pakistan.

[shaasavera]

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[shaasavera]

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[StrangeOne]

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None of my parent’s families stayed behind. They really didn’t have a choice because punjab was mass murder-ville. My mother’s grandfather was government official so he was posted away from the border and had absolutely zero interest in leaving other than the pesky matter of a truck load of daughters he needed to marry off and all of his relatives had shifted to Pakistan.

Both families have one thing in common and that is that they really thought they would be able to go back home after the tensions dissipated. They expected to get a visa and visit to and fro like you would do in any other country. I expect the people who stayed in India thought that as well. I doubt anyone would have predicted they would be permanently cut of just like that.

[Geezer]

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@PyariCgudia

Do people have extended relatives back in India, family members that decided to not leave at or after partition and are still there?

I have family across the border, but my attitude is, you chose to stay there, so great stay there. I don’t care to know who you are or to keep in touch.

Thats the right attitude. I wish I had relatives there too so I could say the same thing.

[shaasavera]

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@Geezer

Thats the right attitude. I wish I had relatives there too so I could say the same thing.

You wish you had relatives there so you could tell them you want to break contact? That you dislike them? Isn’t it good that you can save your energy from doing that?

[Arleitter]

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Our’s is a Sindhi Hindu family.

We have many relatives in Sindh and a few in Balochistan. We are in constant touch.My grand father had chosen to shift to Bombay in 1941 and he and and his family did not suffer partition chaos. But many relatives are still in Sindh and also relatives from paternal side.

[Pakistani_Prince]

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I do not have relatives in india. I am Pathan… Basically…

[muqawwee123]

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@PyariCgudia

Do people have extended relatives back in India, family members that decided to not leave at or after partition and are still there?

I have family across the border, but my attitude is, you chose to stay there, so great stay there. I don’t care to know who you are or to keep in touch.

The decision of living in India or moving to Pakistan was not depending on people’s choice in most of the cases. Who in the world want to leave his/ her homeland where they passed their childhood and where their forefathers were buried except for exceptional circumstances?

As far as ‘I don’t care to know who you are or to keep in touch’ is concerned, do we keep in touch with the our father /grandfather’s cousins and their families, even if they live in same country and city? I don’t think so. The society has moved away from this tradition to keep in touch with relatives. Sometimes, people living away from parents don’t bother to visit them for months. So, in these circumstances your statement become quite irrelevant.

[bella_Rouge]

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Nope don’t have anyone in India but would have been nice to visit relatives there.

[gudiaali]

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@PyariCgudia

Do people have extended relatives back in India, family members that decided to not leave at or after partition and are still there?

I have family across the border, but my attitude is, you chose to stay there, so great stay there. I don’t care to know who you are or to keep in touch.

i will be thrilled to know that your relatives back in India would also have this attitude towards you!
absurd attitude seriously.

We have lot of family in India, at the time of migration only my Grandfather moved to Pakistan, all his siblings chose to stay in India(Gujarat state). Now they all scattered to different parts in India and US/UK. But we are still closely connected to them and they to us. We visit India and have relatives visit us from there.

[gudiaali]

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@KKF

when i visited Pakistan, i couldn’t help but notice that people there have such a class/status consciousness that they abandon/neglect their own sisters and brothers who aren’t as affluent and/or less in social status.

i wanted to see my host’s sister who lived in Rafa-e-aam society. he made excuses. so, i drop the idea. i took a taxi and went to see his sister.

this was like 13 years ago when Karachi was peaceful. he had no excuse. his sister told me that her brother hadn’t visited her like in 5 years…she visits him by taking public transportation.

now, mA, she is doing very well financially. she still lives in Rafa-e-aam society. her children got good education and are working in Saudi Arabia. mA

at least this doesn’t happen in India. people visit each other irrespective of status or neighborhood.

where is this rafa e aam society you are mentioning to? never heard of it.
And yes, you are right, people are so very status conscious here.

[Maula_Jatt]

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@KKF

when i visited Pakistan, i couldn’t help but notice that people there have such a class/status consciousness that they abandon/neglect their own sisters and brothers who aren’t as affluent and/or less in social status.

i wanted to see my host’s sister who lived in Rafa-e-aam society. he made excuses. so, i drop the idea. i took a taxi and went to see his sister.

this was like 13 years ago when Karachi was peaceful. he had no excuse. his sister told me that her brother hadn’t visited her like in 5 years…she visits him by taking public transportation.

now, mA, she is doing very well financially. she still lives in Rafa-e-aam society. her children got good education and are working in Saudi Arabia. mA

at least this doesn’t happen in India. people visit each other irrespective of status or neighborhood.

bahahahaha

You think Pakistan is class status conscious and india is not.

You must have a sunshine and rainbow view of indian society. A society with a rape culture that seems to stem out of caste/class issues. The birth place of the caste system in the subcontinent.

It happens worse in India than anywhere else on the planet. Literally.

Funny…I never you see you talk about that. You’re always more concerned with Pakistan and Pakistanis.

You should take a look at the fresh batch of outsourced employees that are coming out of India nowadays. I know several indian employees that work on the very same floor but show a negative attitude towards each other because of their belief in the caste system. Many have been terminated and sent back because of negative behaviour to people of “lower caste”.

Yes a number of Pakistanis are class conscious. India however is the world capital of atrocities and discrimination arising from caste and class differences.
Maybe you should be more concerned with issues that plague the Indian society. Where police ignore rape cases based solely on caste. Trust me, they are a lot worse.

PCG’s ideas dont represent the majority of Pakistanis. Not many here or anywhere for that matter would seriously agree with such outrageous and insulting statements.

However, for you to group all Pakistanis like that and then go on to wave a proud indian flag is your disgusting resentment towards Pakistanis.

You’re the PCG equivalent from India.

[bella_Rouge]

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@Maula Jutt: Agree with you. I personally don’t know many Indian people I’m sure they are nice and normal like everybody else, but I’ve seen some Indian muslims who seem to have a chip on their shoulder for Pakistan. I really don’t get it.

[Shak]

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@KKF

when i visited Pakistan, i couldn’t help but notice that people there have such a class/status consciousness that they abandon/neglect their own sisters and brothers who aren’t as affluent and/or less in social status.

i wanted to see my host’s sister who lived in Rafa-e-aam society. he made excuses. so, i drop the idea. i took a taxi and went to see his sister.

this was like 13 years ago when Karachi was peaceful. he had no excuse. his sister told me that her brother hadn’t visited her like in 5 years…she visits him by taking public transportation.

now, mA, she is doing very well financially. she still lives in Rafa-e-aam society. her children got good education and are working in Saudi Arabia. mA

at least this doesn’t happen in India. people visit each other irrespective of status or neighborhood.

Bhai, caste system ko bhool gai ho India mey?