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Not all people chose to stay in India.
What if those who migrated are told by those who stayed “You left the country we have nothing to do with you”?
Both are not good healthy attitudes.
Thats the right attitude to have. In a time of great turmoil, where moving to Pakistan may have meant you and your whole family would be butchered, youre going to ignore relatives because they stayed there.
Flawless reasoning as always pcg. If only everyone was as articulate as you.
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That’s not true. Have you been to the Punjab part of India? My mom was born there and there are plenty of Muslims in the Punjab part of India. Her side still lives there and there’s plenty of Muslim families as well. We just visited them 2 years ago.
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My in-laws are from Karachi and they migrated there from Gujarat during the partition.
But my parents stayed in India and so I am Indian and identify as one. So do my grandparents and parents.
Looking at both countries, there’s no reason to not keep in touch because someone chose a particular side. Things weren’t that simple then. I even have non-Muslim friends who’s parents had to leave Lahore but didn’t want to.
Nevertheless, my in-laws side still has family that stayed back in Gujarat and even my MIL and FIL have siblings living in India. Everyone keeps in touch, it’s absolutely ridiculous to break ties with someone because of where they live. That’s just childish in my opinion.
I never grew up in India , was born in Canada so don’t have any real experience but I go back and forth between both countries and love both. I don’t understand why there has to be hate if you stayed back in India, it doesn’t make you any less of a Muslim. Everyone is entitled to love their own country.
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Really? What of the generations after partition who are settled in India and did not move? Why break ties with family and what good can come out of not knowing people on the other side? What if in the area they lived they did not feel persecuted enough to leave? They did not feel staying back would get them butchered. One can get insight into their lives by communicating with them.
They are still muslim and part of the Deen and Ummah. How is this tolerant?
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^ maula jatt was being sarcastic.
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Thank you…echo of my words..
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They may be relatives, but fact of the matter is, they don’t like Pakistan. They don’t like the country YOU stand for. They don’t like the PEOPLE who are now your brethren by the choice of your grandfathers who decided to move to Pakistan.
They don’t like us. So then I don’t really care to know who they are or keep in touch.
They’ve all had a choice to move since then, and be part of Jinnah’s dream of a muslim nation. They decided to stay with hindus and be minorities instead and then play up to the hindu majority. Yes, including people that may be your relatives. Maybe they are nice to you at your chai parades with them, but they do not have any positive feelings for Pakistan.
And that’s treachery to your religion, in my book.
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Wow. Just wow.
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any time 
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PCG (or shall I call you the pot), have you met the kettle yet - in case it escaped your attention, it’s black.
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If they have expressed they don’t like Pakistan or Pakistanis or want anything to do with Pakistan then that reaction can be understandable. You’re mirroring their views back to them. However, the indian muslims who have replied here and those with indian relatives here have mentioned positive affinity to Pakistan. How do you know all of your relatives apart from some think that way unless they’ve said so? Why assume all are like that?
Maybe the choice to move was not an easy one to make. They could have felt they didn’t have to move or they could move later. Surely the Pakistanis living in Pakistan can say the same to those living abroad. Why live in non muslim majority countries abroad with Christians, Jews, Hindus and be a minority when you could contribute to Pakistan as a majority?
Why live in a country which has illegally invaded muslim countries for its own benefit and which supports dictators? Surely then if location is an indication of treachery then that must be treachery also.
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With all due respect, people do not choose where to live and settle based on nationalism, loyalty, or support of an ideology (Jinnah has been mentioned a couple of times). People choose where to settled based on what they believe is best for their families and where they think they will have better lives. It is quite naive and unrealistic to think otherwise.
It is more than likely that the people who decided to stay in India did so because they believed their families would be better off there. People may have political and religious views and loyalties but for most sane, normal people, their family’s well being will ALWAYS come before these and one cannot fault them for this as it is human nature to put one’s family’s well being above all else.
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I’m equally stunned that someone who has otherwise progressive views can express this particularly knowing what it’s like to be generalised. Even my conservative and liberal friends living in Pakistan don’t assume/hate those across the border as much.
Is it not possible that those relatives in India are reflecting back the same views? Surely someone has to take the positive approach and break assumptions.
PCG, please reflect on the comment you posted in another thread detailing the events involving the lady throwing trash and the Prophet(SAW)'s subsequent reaction as the way to behave. Please tell me if your words attempt to fit that. One should follow words in action. Do you not think painting an entire group as ‘inherently bad’ due to where they live or who they associate with is justified.
Actually forget returning negativity with kindness even if someone else returns negativity with kindness they are tainted or looked at cynically because they are Indian and by association ‘Hindu.’ Personally, just ask yourself if doing that is right?
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aap kyon credit le rahe hain aap ne sikhaya Kya.
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Monk sahab ka kya kehna! His posts have equal parts wisdom and confusion. Just pick out the wisdom part and bypass the monkfusion.
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U got any relatives the other side of the seema/deewar Southie ?
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We’ve khula dil .. 
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Naaa :coolios:
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and a Bahut. Bada bada dil as well 