So which culture feels that is the divine mandate to strap a bomb to your waist Nadia? The arab, South asian, Filipino, Sudanese.....? That is what we are discussing...the confused state of jihad.
Make up your mind, Matsan, if you want to discuss culture or religion.
There's a new kind of Jihad where the suicide bombers will plant bombs up their ass. It's called assbackward Jihad. The whole concept is filthy demeaning and ridiculous. Whoever invented such a thing was a lowlife and a sad case.
The real Jihad is building schools to teach tolerance, acceptance of other faiths as equal, abolishing gender specific stupidities such as 4 wives, but only 1 husband, and selecting Priests and Clergy from both sexes. This is what Jihad means. Back in the 6th century, people had a lot of free time, so the whole context was explained in terms of conflicts and unbelievers. Those with a lot of free time (the unemployed uneducated lot) has nothing better to do instead to look the term in today's context
I am off to modern Jihad. To me it means having a few drinks with buddies.
Matsui, At least Nadia agrees that Culture and Religion are two separate entities, and Islam being "a way of life" is an outdated concept that has lived its usefulness. It was valid when there were only 9 Muslims in the world. Today there are many.
Sorry. i’m still stuck in my 7th century way of thinking. What hope is there for me?
Give me a break. Just because i consider Islam a “way of life” does not mean i am going to strap bombs around my waist and go hunting for the next infidel. Jeez 
People who question 4 wives should let their wives marry more men.
When did "Suicide" bombing really start? or any suicide operation killing enemy? was it really Muslims who invented it? or Japanese kamikazi (or someone else)?
Nadia, I said you considered Religion separate from Culture, and that's what I said. Where did I say that you live in 7th century? Somethings need not be said, it is too obvious. And I never even imagined you strapping bombs on your waste, you are too clever for that, and I am sure you have discovered other uses of backpacks and remote control, etc. so also give me a break too.
Changez, "let them",,,, you mean, they still need to be "let them"? Who givth a man to Leth the womenth? Don't tell me Allah did that, caz she is not as dumb as you make her to be.
Changez, Kamakazis didn’t call it Jihad, they did so for Imperialism and for the Emperor.
Kamkazes did it for the Emperor who was their God. It was considered the greatest achievement to die for the Emperor. Personally I am more in favour of making the enemy die for his country.
More recently the Tamil Tiger's perfected suicide bombing. I believe the word started from their attacks. The LTT was well supported by India till the Indian army was attacked by them, and especially after Rajiv Gandhi was killed by them. that's what people call Blowback.
Zakk, what does your belief system say about victims of suiciders, does it say that they should sit quiet and get killed, or does it say that they should shove them jihadis back to where they came from? Quote some enlightening spiritual references, I am in a mood for something spiritual.
Is there any concept in Islam that Muslims can declare Jihad against each other?
I do not ask why non-Muslims are declared Kafirs and a Jihad is waged against them.
I ask, why Muslims have branded each other ‘Kafir’ and declared Jihad (against each other) in many historical fighting.
For some reason Muslims always escape this type of enquiry.
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shove occupiers where they came from... how about that?
Fantoosh, because it is such a stupid concept that it will die it's own death. I like the idea of muslims killing muslim; it saves others the nuisance.
It's funny because Arab language has 150 names for dates (Khajoor) but they lumpsumed everything into just one term 'Jihad'. Call it what it is, a call to violence, don’t try to purify it with lot of rhetorical garbage.
Changez, some occupiers came back from distance places to reoccupy what was originallyl theirs, from where they were displaced. Don't give Sikhs any idea to come back and reclaim Lahore. I guess, it will be OK, may be we can Daru back.
To NYAhmadi:
You are not different from any those conversative commentators of United States like Bill O'reilly, Rusch Limbaugh, Michael Reagon, Sean Hannity etc.
Just like them you are keep repeating the same rhetoric that Jihad can only mean one thing and that is to kill Infidels. One of those enlightened conservatives once said that he has read in Heritage dictionary (of English) that Jihad means fighting. When somebody told him that Jihad is an Arabic word with many different meanings, he was not ready to accept it.
I found you and that guy very similary in your arguments
Fatehahmad. It's nice to know that I am in such an esteemed company. May be you belong in Osama's company.
Instead of editorializing who is what, have some decency (is there equivalent of decency in Arabic language?) to discuss the issue at hand. No one is arguing what it means in Arabic language, the argument is what is perceived as by the majority of the hoodlums, which is to kill the enemy in the name of Allah. I hope it is not too heavy for you to understand. Can you tell me what is the term for "Killing someone in the name of God" in Arabic?
Its called Qitaal... to kill
To NYAhmadi:
You yourself wrote in one of your previous mail that
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but they lumpsumed everything into just one term 'Jihad'. Call it what it is, a call to violence, don’t try to purify it with lot of rhetorical garbage
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As I understand from the above is that you realy think Jihad only means to kill in the name of Allah. You never wrote that majority of the muslims are making a grave error by taking that meaning literaly.
As far as I am concern, I am an Ahmadi Muslim and that realy puts me out of Osama's circle
Fateh, my mistake. That's precisely I meant to say that this term is misunderstood by many. Particularly fanatical followers of Islam, that have degraded the meaning of this term. Even during the soviet occupation Pakistani papers had headlines asking for muslims to go and fight in the name of Allah, it still goes on, and many a headlines even read today, he died while "fighting Jihad". It has come to be associated with "Dying and Killing", and it is unfortunate.
Being an Ahmadi does not disqualify one from holding Osama's ideals. We just don't do it out of the goodness for humanity and love for all.
Salam Brother.