^ No. Selective vision. See no evil, evil no see.
Defense and survival? In Bali? Aussies? Holy moly. In Sailkot? Holy moly.
Yes Madhanee,
Is there any better way to defend Palestinians than by beheading a few Americans after tying them down?
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As I said, a Muslim cannot ever think that violence is "cool" bc thats against the message of our religion, and so self contradictory. However, violence as a reaction to violence, for the sake of defence and survival is allowed.
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THat is just so untrue.
In the real world, Muslims do kill others just for the heck of it.
Who are the Janjaweed defending when they go about raping and mutilating innocent black Muslims in Sudan?
Who is Zarqawi defending when his group sends suicide bombers to blow up Iraqis standing in line for jobs?
Talwar, I am of the belief that Saudis have screwed us royally. They have created a monster in Pakistan and it will take some time for it to die. My hope is that India will expose this duplicity of the Shiekhs and rescue Pakistan from this menace. I see India as our big brother. Both spiritually and ethnically. Arabs can go to hell as for as I am concerned. They can have their 72 virgins camels, and leave us Desi people alone. We have nothing in common with them stupid people.
Madhanee
Big brother thing is sensitive. Let's just aim to be good neighbors and if possible, friends - on an equal level.
The jihadi thing has to be reformed internally. If India or others interfere, it may make it more difficult.
I hereby elect you two to work things out.
I fear for the indocrination of our youth however. If ya know what I mean....
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Madhanee
Big brother thing is sensitive. Let's just aim to be good neighbors and if possible, friends - on an equal level.
The jihadi thing has to be reformed internally. If India or others interfere, it may make it more difficult.
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ah wah talwar bhai...app too baray hee aqal mand insan hann.....and i really mean it.....well said…..
i wish all of our Indian counterparts think the same way...Indian governments should understand that Pakistanis are extremely sensitive to the BIG BROTHER theory......however, it would be much easier to carry out the negotiations based on equality and mutual respect. Indian delegations, which are visiting Pakistan these days on a regular basis, should stop saying:
“ we are all brothers. We are same. So what is the point of this borderline. Lets finish the border line”
Because border line is a reality and no one can deny it. We, Pakistanis are extremely sensitive about this borderline. May be Indian delegations say these things with a right intention but in reality, such loose talks create a very negative impact among Pakistanis. Focus should be on living like friends with mutual respect.
Anyway, lets get back to topic.
Some of us actually acknowledge the existence of a world outside our country.
With that line of reasoning I take it that all Americans are violence loving maniacs. That’s only logical because I bet they’re all real proud that their nation has historically killed the most people. Not to mention dropping the only 2 nuclear bombs which killed hundreds of thousands AND destroyed future generations to come. Keep it up :k:
i presume you have simply been fed with propaganda and have no actual knowledge about this issue. otherwise, you would know that the other option, a land invasion of japan, would’ve taken 10x more lives.
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you would know that the other option, a land invasion of japan, would've taken 10x more lives.
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Thats just a 'theory' and pure conjecture as to 'what if'. And another example of spin propaganda that you are trying to disprove. What an irony! :)
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i presume you have simply been fed with propaganda and have no actual knowledge about this issue. otherwise, you would know that the other option, a land invasion of japan, would've taken 10x more lives.
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Hey I am talking about facts. Can you say the same?
If you were talking about facts you wouldn't say that the US "historically killed the most people".
Please prove otherwise. Seems like all these terrorists have the wrong country 
Note I am talking from the time since the US was founded.
"Please prove otherwise."
I have done that repeatedly on these pages......
The nuclear bombs in WWII did stop even more casualties from happening. Go look at the figures. In World War II, Carpet bombing of cities using conventional weapons killed more people/civilians than the atomic bombs over Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Carpet bombing by the German Blitz –
London: almost 50,000 civilians killed.
Warsaw: 200,000 civilians killed.
Carpet bombing of German cities:
Hamburg – 60,000 to 100,000
Dresden-- 135,000
Tokyo – 100,000
Hiroshima (nuclear) – 100,000
Nagasaki (nuclear) – 50,000
The last two nuclear blasts scared the &$*% out of the enemies and they had to surrender. If the nuclear blasts weren’t done, land invasion would have caused so much more deaths and carpet bombing tactics would have still continued, which cause just as much if not more deaths.
the article from nytimes linked above is full of bs, it claims that MOST of the madarassahs are jihad factories...typical western mentality...these nytimes reporters do not have brains but bull **** in their skulls,
most of these madarasshas are just quran recital schools and do not have guns or ammo or jihadis....they just take care for the hundreds of orphans that live on campus and are provided for free. can the secular government of pakistan provide for these students? not even in musharaf's dreams. so unles you find a better way to take care of poor kids and provide them free food shleter and clothing and best of all keep them off streets and jails, stop ranting about these "jihad factories".
^^ It must be quite easy for your types isn't it? When people provide proof, you disregard it without explanation. When you guys make arguments, it is based on a warped worldview where no proof is needed.
Had you cared to read the posts before, everyone acknowledged that the jihadi madrassas were only 15-20% of the total ones. But when you have 3 million students at any given time studying in Pakistani madrassas, even a small percentage of that is brutally significant.
As to providing future for kids, I don't see how teaching them that Jews and Hindus are to blame for their suffering and giving thme trianing to shoot Kalashnikovs is of any use.
You know I believe my grandmothers house was destroyed in the Hamburg bombing of WWII.
I located a bit of family history and discovered my great grandfather was not found living after 1943.
Sometimes think about the war because my grandfather worked as a machinist during the war at a facility that made bombs. I ponder about how he must have felt knowing that his small part making violent weapons may have dropped on his family overseas.
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This is not about Allah, Jihad, Islam, it is about sickness.
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Agree.
I thought jihad meant struggle.
The jihad being the human struggle to adhere and abide to moral values taught by God.
Jihad being a personal struggle to be the best one can be.