Re: Split Hadiths on Finallity of Prophet Muhammad (saww)

Re: Split Hadiths on Finallity of Prophet Muhammad (saww)

cp, our beliefs are different.. i wouldnt blame you for taking everything literally, neither can you blame me for taking some hadith the metaphorical way, since you accepted Jesus on the basis of metaphorical fulfillment of prophecies..

My duty is to show u the other side of the picture, i have shown it, i have done that many times in earlier threads.. but its up to you if you want to take some time in trying to understand what i say.. if not , its completely fine.. become a better muslim and let me practice islam.

and no, that was not metaphorical.. i was 'literally' calling Jesus (AS)..
and its advisable not to speak on matters of which one has no knowledge of..

Peace Mr.Popat

Looking back at your reply to Lusi on the first page of this thread ... I see the premise for this discussion. It is true that Isa (AS) will embody the traits to unify. However, from my understanding by him (AS) doing this it will not create another division within the Ummah, that would actually be proof of a false claim to Masih. The Masih will altogether be successful at his endeavours to unite that will be his sign. Forget about smaller grouping factions we believe that the major sectarian differences of Shi'a and Sunni will be resolved and us united.

Isa (AS) will have obvious signs he will not need to debate his authenticity at all. It is easy for a child to realise this, if a person's purpose is to unite a multitude of many groups, but end up adding one or more groups to the cesspool without actually merging any group in the process ... well that would be a failed attempt.

Rather the Mahdi as a separate person who comes earlier will have done most of the ground work already.

Surah 109:Al-Kafiroon (The Disbelievers)

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

1. Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2. I worship not that which ye worship,
3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. To you be your Way, and to me mine.

Re: Split Hadiths on Finallity of Prophet Muhammad (saww)

When you apply a seal to a letter it is closed and only breaking the seal will result in one being able to read the contents of the letter!

Mohammed SAW was the seal of all the prophets. There will be none after him.
Isa AS was raised into the heavens. He has not died. He will return. Then rule for the appointed period and then return to his maker.

This DOES NOT MEAN Isa AS coming back is annuls that rule!

Peace to you. :)

So simple yet hard to digest by some :)

Who is last?

The one who born last or one who dies last?

I thought the purpose of Jesus AS return was to end the wars???....Even if he AS does get miraculous sight how will Muslim tackle drone attacks ... AK47 or sword is no good...

Would love to know the ££clear references££

lets take your own example. When you apply seal on a letter, it would mean nothing goes in, nor comes out. I dont understand how coming of Jesus would not break the seal.

The last Prophet = Muhammad sallallhu alayhi wasallam.

Isa alayhi salam = follower of the last prophet sallallahu alayhi wasalam.

End of discussion.

:smack:

if mujahideen of afghanistan can keep the world super power and her friends busy for 10 long years, what makes you think it will be hard for the future mujahideen under Isa (AS)’ command?

sometimes I wonder why you people question the power of Allah…! maybe because you do not believe in miracles? maybe… we shall find out soon

flawed logic, get them busy and have your country destroyed, wow height of insanity :k:

If this is jihad, all i can say MashAllah on the aqal’s (if they have any) of RGM’s (rightly guided mujahideen’s) :hehe:

so what happened to USA in last 10 years? how many world trade centers got destroyed by students of devil (commonly known as Taliban) ?

if you have your mind intact at right place, then you should know - Americans take the war into your homes (read cave world).

you are not able to comprehend because you live in luxury sipping your wine.
america et al have been brought down to their knees. they say this themselves, maybe open your eyes once in awhile.
and what are you expecting? if the mujahideen had the same weaponry the crusaders carry, this war would of been over long ago. if you cannot defeat slipper wearing, rpg carrying, ak47 shooting untrained men, then you have no hope in the future. keep on dreaming. inshallah Pakistan will be at the forefront of the next khilafat, like it or not. either your with them or with the muslims.
now stick to topic.

Currently it’s Pinot Noir (Napa Valley). Very elegant and lil-bit smoky.

on their knees? Financial crises? ahan .. so you are saying Arab World/South Asia/Japan/Southern America … are in recession because of Afghan war - thanks for the joke of the day :hehe:

exactly, now go figure why from the last 500 years we the Muslims kept getting defeats on every battle be it in war zone or in sci/tech.

Your kind is fighting a lost war, don’t you see in the last few years taliban & their related e-jiahdi’s lost all the good-will & respect in the eyes of average Muslim.

What do you think what is the reason?
Now please don’t blame jews media.. and blah blah.. enough of the crap.

ps. try to give answers, instead of ramblings around my wine - it will not solve your issues .

Peace Psyah sir,

Nothing happens in a blink of an eye. I do not agree that there will be no division in Muslims upon Jesus(AS)'s arrival. Allah says in Quran " And there has never come a prophet , but people mock at them ". Jesus (AS)'s case will not and CANNOT be different from the rest of the prophets , especially seeing the circumstances our prophet MuhammadPBUH went through in His time of prophethood, and knowing the opposition He (SAW) had to face, I cannot believe ( if taken hadith literally ), that everything will be fine , and Muslims will be united. Keep in mind, that even in the hadith that you refer, there is no mention of any time period of when everything will be fine and exactly when Muslims will all be together.. everything takes time.. If you think about it, you are looking at a person who will not be given a new prophethood, but yet will be so successful in His mission ( in just 40 years ), that people will just believe in him as the prophet sees them. Prophets have been humiliated by people, but will be regarded the highest station/rank by Allah the almighty.

Prophet's missions are to spread the word of Allah in its purest form and this duty or mission does not require any prophet to convert people , they are not given the authority by Allah to change people's heart. Its only to convey the message, rest is upto Allah whomsoever he grants hidayat. If Allah wished, He would have made everyone Muslim just when Muhammad PBUH was around, yet we see people around the world mocking Prophet Muhammad PBUH, making cartoons of Him etc.. a person whom Muslims believe was the reason of the creation of world. No human being , whether normal people like us or prophets can be equal to Him(SAW), but even then, Muslims today are trying to show the real face of Islam by writing books after books to tell the world what the meaning of jihaad really is and other issues like those. My point is, its the sign of someone's truthfulness, if we see the opposition, because thats the signs of people from Allah. It has never happened that Allah sends someone and everyone who He sees accepts him. Its just hasnt happened, and will never happen.

when you say He (AS) will literally be accompanied by two angels.. if you think about it in its true literal sense, you will have such a picture in your mind which your ownself will not be able to accept. Allah has never done such a thing before with anyone. Jesus (AS) is no exception. His status is merely of a prophet sent to bani israel. Accompanied by angels only means He(AS) will be guided by Allah, through revelation which will reveal on him through angels.

Allah has always 'descended' prophets, but all prophets are to undergo the sunnah of Allah.. Allah says
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[48:24] Such is the law of Allah that has been *in operation *before; and thou shalt not find any change in the law of Allah.

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[30:55] * It is *Allah Who created you in *a state of *weakness, and after weakness gave strength; then, after strength, caused weakness and old age. He creates what He pleases. He is the All-knowing, the All-Powerful
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that is the sunnah of Allah, it applies to everyone, including prophets. Now, they are obviously 'descended' by Alllah. Please think outside the box and for once try to understand ahadith from another point of view other than what your forefathers have told you.

if you cannot see and hear, it doesn't mean it's not true. the blind man cannot see the pencil, does it exist? yes it does. same with you, you cannot see true victory and miracles but they exist.

"Sins are like chains and locks preventing their perpetrator from roaming the vast garden of tawhid and reaping the fruits of righteous actions."

blah blah.

answer the questions !

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YUSUFALI: Those whom they invoke besides Allah create nothing and are themselves created.
PICKTHAL: Those unto whom they cry beside Allah created naught, but are themselves created.
SHAKIR: And those whom they call on besides Allah have not created anything while they are themselves created;

016.021
YUSUFALI: (They are things) dead, lifeless: nor do they know when they will be raised up.
PICKTHAL: (They are) dead, not living. And they know not when they will be raised.
SHAKIR: Dead (are they), not living, and they know not when they shall be raised.

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So all the deities except Allah are dead, not living. How could Jesus(as) be alive in heavens while Christians consider him son of God and one of three.

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YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time."
PICKTHAL: He said: Go down (from hence), one of you a foe unto the other. There will be for you on earth a habitation and provision for a while.
SHAKIR: He said: Get forth, some of you, the enemies of others, and there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time.

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YUSUFALI: He said: "Therein shall ye live, and therein shall ye die; but from it shall ye be taken out (at last)."
PICKTHAL: He said: There shall ye live, and there shall ye die, and thence shall ye be brought forth.
SHAKIR: He (also) said: Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die, and from it shall you be raised.

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moreover, Earth has been assigned as the dwelling place for bani-adam. and hazrat Isa(as) was no exception

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At one hand we have the greatest of Prophet SAW who is going to Taef to call people towards Islam and show them the signs of truth but people dont believe him because nouzobillah his SAW signs are not good enough for them and on other hand we have Prophet of Bani Israel who according to you nouzobillah did not finish his AS very first task given as Prophet and was risen to heaven and in his AS 2nd coming will be light as rocket...now this is true blasphemy on Holy Prophet SAW....If Holy Prophet SAW is the best then no Prophet can do anything better then him nor will he get better reward.

Here you are telling me that Imam Mahdi will come first with his swords to kill Kuffar...no atomic bomb will stop him and then Isa AS will come to kill Dajjal (one eyed monster) and pigs...come pn Psyah does it not look to fiction....why cant you once try to look at it from our point of view?

Re: Split Hadiths on Finallity of Prophet Muhammad (saww)

^why did your mirza cursed everyone?when confronted by Peer Mehr Ali shah of Golra he said "aii golray ki sarzameen teray pai lanat"

lol desperation

hey, thats what i said!!!! ..not fairrr lol