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*Originally posted by skhan: *
Speak for yourself. There is a difference between coming here temporarily with the objective to get an education, and kissing gora ass in order to stay here and emulate your masters.
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hahahha "come here temporarily" .. why didn't u go to Arabobton or Ummah Tech? why come to such a 'decadent' kafirland for an education.. isn't it haraam or something?
Shkhan. So you are licking it on temporary basis? Be careful, it can be addictive and you might have trouble letting it go when you have to leave.
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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
hahahha "come here temporarily" .. why didn't u go to Arabobton or Ummah Tech? why come to such a 'decadent' kafirland for an education.. isn't it haraam or something?
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Nope not haram. On the contrary, in Hadith we have persuaded to go as far as China in order to seek knowledge/education. Just because they're kafir doesn't mean you can't use them ;)
Don’t worry, I am sure there is plenty to go around. :k:
The movie was shown on the Dutch Public Broadcasting Network on August the 29th. Almost two months before the director was killed.
I would like to ask, what steps did the active Muslim community take in order to stop that movie from being released. Nothing is impossible, if Holland is all about freedom, than its your right too to feel free and secure regarding your regligous values. Iam asking all the Dutch muslims over here, what did you all do in order to have that movie stopped from coming in to the market.
And now when some fanatic comes and kills the director and when it has come down from our own security, we all start crying. The director is known to produce stuff, attacking the Islamic values. Where were all the muslims when Islam was being attacked?
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*Originally posted by MehnazQ: *
MQ, AJ didn't say anything about throwing morals out of the window or doing anything as equally as pathetic as the director. Yes, he suggested producing a movie but he didn't say anything about making a derogatory one to challenge the Dutch guy's movie. Nothing pathetic about showing what our religion is really about ... even if it is in movie form. Khair, this was just one suggestion ... not the be all, end all. Let's not forget that there is currently a cartoon movie about Islam that is currently playing in movie theatres. If we had the mindset of, "oh, who will watch it and support it", the movie/documentary/cartoon would never have been made. Lots of people are supporting it ... it may not be a block buster hit but I'm sure it will get it's fair share of viewers.
Anyway, you are making more out of his post than he has stated.
The documentaries aired on PBS about Islam (three documentaries in total) received a huge response and international support from Muslims and non-Muslims worldwide. Suggesting making a movie is not as unrealistic as you seem to think. Like I said though, it was one suggestion he made. Read the rest of his post.
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Mehnaz Im perfectly aware of what AJ had "exactly" written.I know he didnt say anything about morals ,but I did.Doing something like the director had done -would have been degrading and immoral -in MY opinion.Kindly point out where I said there was anything pathetic about showing others what our religion is all about! In fact Im pro teaching others about our faith ,in case you didnt know.
And I do not go around making Islamic movies, so it really doesnt matter what kind of mind set I have about whether they should have been made in the first place.What I "was" saying was that if somebody had made a movie to contradict or oppose that director's pont of view- chances are it wouldnt have gotten much publicity.I doubt if the same country who released the director's movie would be equally willing to release something that would be the opposite of what the director had made.
I dont think I made more of what he had written.I simply said that in my opinion attacking somebody how they attack us would be wrong too.Documentaries about teaching Islam are completely different.There are hundreds of those, and yes they do get attention.However, if Muslims set out for the sole purpose of degrading another faith - no they would not get international fame.Far from it.
You don’t get what I’m saying so it doesn’t matter. 
So you think a solution would be for Muslims to throw morals out the window and do something as pathetic as the director.
Ok I think I need to make it clear that Im not picking on AJ. I should have rephrased my sentence in a more sensible manner.My mistake.
AJ didnt say anything about morals - he only mentioned that Muslims could have made a movie too.
The rest of it - about morals/pathetic - was my opinion.Nothing to do with AJ.
Btw the director was the root of this whole issue.He shouldnt have made such a movie.:o
And I DONT think the director should have been killed.Arghh.
i still don't understand what all the boohaha about the movie is.. movies are supposed to be haraaam amongst these "Muslims" whose feelings were hurt.. so they won't ever get to see it.. no harm done.
MQ,
In my very first post what I meant was to reply to the director by making a movie refuting his arguments against Islam. This in its very nature would have been an educational movie about Islam. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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*Originally posted by ahmadjee: *
So, how did the killing of the director achieved this objective? Maybe those who do condone the killing (by state or by individual) can explain. Explain how will the people who watched the movie will benefit from the killing of the director? Will this killing help the Dutch community understand the Muslims or Islam better? Will it clear the misunderstanding or will it make the case stronger for the director?
Anyone?
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dude u keep ur socialism in ur pit hole . Islam is a religion n to some people it has more significance then ur freakin values . doesnt mean Islam dont appriciate moralities but u just waistin ur time . i realy suggest u to discuss this matter with some one who knows abt it . n stop bsing around . who r u to suggest wat they suppoz to do . u think u got enough knowledge to determine that ??? and
u wana know the purpuz SHANE NABI MIEN GUSTAKHI KERNE WALEY KA OR KIYA ANJAM HOTA ??? i mean just get life . u sayin that caz u ppl are in a lil trouble . and might some goraa azz wil boycott with ya that guy wud have never killed . umm lemme share a hadith its more or less
** IF U SEE SOMETHIN WRONG 1) GO STOP IT IF U CANT 2) TALK ABT IT 3) CANT EVEN DO THAT THEN THINK ABT IT N BE SURE THAT IT WAS WRONG AND THE THIRD IS THE WEEKEST CONDITION OF A MUSLIM **
bro where u at ???
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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
i still don't understand what all the boohaha about the movie is.. movies are supposed to be haraaam amongst these "Muslims" whose feelings were hurt.. so they won't ever get to see it.. no harm done.
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yea no harm umm lets just switch some places aight lets suppoz he wud have made that movie abt ur dad instead of Holy PRophet ( pbuh)even though u havent seen it u just heard ppl talkin abt it wat wud have been ur reaction ????
^ and I argue that the best way to "1) GO STOP IT" was to refute the allegations in the same medium those allegations were made. Or at least in mediums that will best argue the other side of the story. I am sure if the Dutch broad casting system was contacted they were more than willing to show interviews of Imams or other religious leaders who can comment on the movie.
Killing the director showed cruelty and malice on behalf of the killer and those who support his actions and such morals are against the teachings of Islam.
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*Originally posted by Muslim_Queen: *
Mehnaz Im perfectly aware of what AJ had "exactly" written.I know he didnt say anything about morals ,but I did.Doing something like the director had done -would have been degrading and immoral -in MY opinion.Kindly point out where I said there was anything pathetic about showing others what our religion is all about! In fact Im pro teaching others about our faith ,in case you didnt know.
And I do not go around making Islamic movies, so it really doesnt matter what kind of mind set I have about whether they should have been made in the first place.What I "was" saying was that if somebody had made a movie to contradict or oppose that director's pont of view- chances are it wouldnt have gotten much publicity.I doubt if the same country who released the director's movie would be equally willing to release something that would be the opposite of what the director had made.
I dont think I made more of what he had written.I simply said that in my opinion attacking somebody how they attack us would be wrong too.Documentaries about teaching Islam are completely different.There are hundreds of those, and yes they do get attention.However, if Muslims set out for the sole purpose of degrading another faith - no they would not get international fame.Far from it.
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sry but its just INSANE . how on earth wud u even think abt that . its just tooo lame . i mean u xpecting thoz kafirz to defend ur azz n all u have to do is make a movie ??? lol umm u didnt forget abt wat our hadiths say abt any typa relation with YAHOOD _ O _ NASARA
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*Originally posted by Kill4fun: *
yea no harm umm lets just switch some places aight lets suppoz he wud have made that movie abt ur dad instead of Holy PRophet ( pbuh)even though u havent seen it u just heard ppl talkin abt it wat wud have been ur reaction ????
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Ahh, the emotional black mail is killing me. Do you do it for fun?
this kindergarten yo mom or yo dad analogies don't fly ..
The guy had ridiculed holocaust survivors too.. according to many the Jews control the world.. yet.. his work got around.
maybe the Muslims could be just as tolerant.. but we have a way of giving recognition and maintream attention to the biggest idiots who know that their claim to fame could be just stepping on our toes.
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*Originally posted by ahmadjee: *
^ and I argue that the best way to "1) GO STOP IT" was to refute the allegations in the same medium those allegations were made. Or at least in mediums that will best argue the other side of the story. I am sure if the Dutch broad casting system was contacted they were more than willing to show interviews of Imams or other religious leaders who can comment on the movie.
Killing the director showed cruelty and malice on behalf of the killer and those who support his actions and such morals are against the teachings of Islam.
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i think i already answered that . n MOVIES ARE HARAM so plz . u are just soo pathetic . anyways there are BLACK SHEEPS every where so its aight
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this kindergarten yo mom or yo dad analogies don't fly ..
The guy had ridiculed holocaust survivors too.. according to many the Jews control the world.. yet.. his work got around.
maybe the Muslims could be just as tolerant.. but we have a way of giving recognition and maintream attention to the biggest idiots who know that their claim to fame could be just stepping on our toes.
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lol dude nothin perosnal
n yea i agree
haha, yeah PA .. whats your point?
anyone inhere seen that movie?
no?
Let me find and upload