Re: quota system and Pakistan
Icono"lost" sahab, why is that majority of police etc in karachi is punjabi? OBL talks about quota system / affirmative action in the US but I never see that the police of Chicago is now imported from kentucky or iowa because oh jee, iowa doesn't have a job so lets start putting people in police and make a
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Bhai Shriek sahib, why itna ghussa kha rahain hain app. Fraudz bhai nay thread shuru kia to discussion ho gaee. Ab Pir Ji aap say naraz ho ga-ay to aap ki dunyia bhi Kharab aur akhirat bhi. [trans: Fraudz started the thread and we had a cordial discussion].
BTW US police and army is mostly recruited from mid-West. I don't have stats for Chicago, but there was huge discussion in America on this topic after Rodney King riots.
The stats back then showed that most of the LA police officers were from Mississippi, Alabama, and neighboring states. Some analysts did bring the ethnic (White vs. Black) angle in that case.
Most of the US infantry men come from Appalachia. For those who haven't been to USA, make sure you go to at least few Appalachian states. They are just like our Pothohar area (Chakwal, Talagang etc) albeit more green.
And guess what, people from these states love to join the armed services. May be it is hill billy thing the way you put it.
Another nugget for y'all. Hill Billys were the soldiers of Abraham Lincoln. Even though Hill billys may be synonymous for backward people. Lincolns Billys laid down their lives in order to keep America from becoming slave owning country. So my hats off to hill billys.
...... Heck, how did the "urdu speakers" enact any policy when Ayub khan moved the bureaucracy and the capital to punjab when he came over in 1958?
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*Shreik Bhai, you seems to be all gung ho about the Karachi. And that's all right. However you must study the dynamics of our community before shouting at others. This is so common among our community. We harbor racist attitudes towards other Pakistanis without recognizing our own position and our own history.
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LAK sahib enacted Khota (I mean Quota) system in Pakistan, with strong preference for our clans from Bihar, UP, and some from Hyderabad.
He was allowed to set these preference until he stepped into Punjabi chauvinists territory and started kicking out top brass of Federal police and custom officials. That's when the whole conspiracy of assassination happened.
Pakistan Railways was immediately turned into Bihari railway, if you ask an honest bazurg (elder).
...... ... My family worked hard for everything they got.
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Look Shriek bhai. Let's be honest. Our cousins back in Bihar and UP are equally (if not more) hardworking. Still very few of them have access to wealth and prosperity like us in Pakistan. When did you visit your cousins in UP?
...... ....If you are talking about lands etc that any mahajirs might have gotten then many of the current feudal lords you have now were kammis who tended the lands of sikhs / hindus pre-partition and occupied the land after partition when the sikhs / hindus fled to india.
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Look Shriek Bhai, you are again showing ignorance of history that is so common in our groups. We are historically "Sunnis" not the religious kind, but the ones who believe in Sunni Sunnai (rumors) history. Read Bhai Read first.
Just for reality check, Punjab had three major parties before 1947. Muslim League, Unionist Party, and Congress.
Muslim League was mix of mega-farmers and sprinkling of city folks like Iqbal. Unionist party was dominated by Muslim Mega-farmers with exception of one Hindu Mega-farmer known as Sir Chotoo Raam.
Congress was dominated by Hindu Businessmen and Baboos. While Akalis were all Sikhs including farmers and businessmen.
In 1945 elections, majority seats (86) went to Muslim League, Unionist party was number 2 and Congress #3. Akalis had few seats as well.
So this simply shows the power structure of "Whole" Punjab (east+west) in pre-partition days.
I don't know who told you that mega-farmers of Punjab took lands from Hindus and Sikhs. The reality is that Hindus and Sikhs snatched Muslim lands in East Punjab, while Muslims snatched businesses, city property and Baboo jobs.
I say again. Please read our history. Itna Ghussa achaa nahi hota sehat kay lee-ay (anger is injurious to your health).
...... I agree we should have had better relationships with sindhi but the sindhi waderas are also to blame. You had army and police kill MQM in the eighties way before it started using terrorism because the party was getting popular in s. punjab as a venue for middle class people. PPP lost that title when waderas and chaudhries infiltrated the party sort of like what happened to PML when the tiwanas / chaudhries decided to throw their lot with jinnah when they did nothing for the pakistan movement in blood or money..
Thank you for agreeing. And read about Pak history.
peace!
