Quette ka Pathan, Peshawar ka Pathan

[muqawwee123]

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@Ali_Syed

you know sometimes people get blinded in nationalism. :cobra: Just like Khetran’s mentioned in the other post.

yes. mujh se meri Arab shanakht mat chheeno

[Ali_Syed]

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@muqawwee123

yes. mujh se meri Arab shanakht mat chheeno

[muqawwee123]

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@Ali_Syed

I think the resistance comes when you try to bring someone in lower cadre (as from Arab to desi Hindustani).. In case of Pashtun / Baloch identity, both groups have no problem as such. Its political differences at best.

[Ali_Syed]

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I think the resistance comes when you try to bring someone in lower cadre (as from Arab to desi Hindustani).. In case of Pashtun / Baloch identity, both groups have no problem as such. Its political differences at best.

I think every group considers itself superior, which is a common human trait.

[marwati]

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in our area, for some odd reasons, paThaans are considered lower class and marriages with them is NOT encouraged.

i personally do NOT believe in zaat paat in Islam in any form, shape or guise. :)

Its opposite, Pathans along with mughals, syeds, muslim-rajputs etc are considered ashrafia.........

the question arises why low-caste hindus converted to islam if ruling class of muslims (turks, mughals, pathans etc) imposed themselves as high caste people on indigenous population?....................no shudra or dalit who converted to islam , gained equal status as these ashrafia.................

[marwati]

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@muqawwee123

Whats the difference in their language and culture?

Do they have their same origins or they are from different tribes, etc

Same origin but different tribes, same language but different dialect. While Culture, traditions and customs are same, so is pashtunwali. Pashtuns of balochistan speak softer sheen dialect similar to people of kandahar of Afghanistan while pashtuns of entire peshawer valley (peshawer, mardan, nowshera, swabi, charsada) speak hard kheen dialect like jalalabad and kabul of afghanistan.

The purple region in following map is pashtun belt of balochistan, relatively more fertile and dense than baloch belt…they are 50% population of province.

http://s20.postimg.org/nakdn7hql/asdfadsfadfsaf.png

The main pashtun tribes in balochistan are, Kakars, achakzai, spin tarin, tor tarin, mando khel, sherani, jaffar, luni, kansi etc

The peshwer valley is very dense, has poulation of about 9 million people…it is heavily mixed, khalils, khattaks, afridis, daudzais, yousafzais, mohamnads, utmanzais, gadoons etc are prominent tribes.

[marwati]

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How come? they don't speak pashto and don't even follow the traditions of pathans.I need information about them how they are real pathans?

You would be surprised to hear that People of Dir, buner, swat, shangla, batagram, malakand, mardan, swabi and tor ghar are mostly yousafzais and they are all pashto speaking.......................yousafzai is largest tribe in khyber pakhtunkhwa

[marwati]

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@Microbian

Youtube video is not working, sirf name lgany sy pathan to ni ban skty na?
3-4 of my classmates were yousufzai pathan and we used to call them nakli pathan and they never said they were not.They were like any other urdu speaking people with not a single different thing on the basis of which we can say that they are real pathans.

They must be yousafazis of rohailkhand, india. They are known as Rohillas and they ruled and colonized that region…they have lost pashto and speak urdu. Some of the famous rohillas are najibudulla who invited ahmad shah abdali to india. general bakht khan, the prominent leader of 1857 uprising. Maulana mohammad ali jauhar. and General akhtar abdul rehman, the ISI chief who played key role in soviet-afghan war.
read this article about them,
Rohilla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yousafzais also established state of tonk within the homeland of rajputs, rajasthan.

Tonk (princely state) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[marwati]

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Any idea, when and from which areas Pashtuns reached Balochistan?

Its actually baloch tribes (mari, bugti etc) who reached north-westren Baluchistan from iran side. Pashtuns of sulieman mountains are the original inhabitants of north-western balochistan, it is birth place of pashtun people from where they spread to afghanistan and tribal areas. Upto 1893 the region from quetta upto sibi was part of Afghanistan, was handed to british in durand line treaty................British incorporated these regions with some baloch areas and termed it British balochistan. Most of the balochs were living in Qalat state, not british balochistan which was pashtun majority except mari and bugti tribes. Muslim leagui leaders from balochistan like qazi mohammad isa were pashtuns.

[muqawwee123]

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@marwati

Its actually baloch tribes (mari, bugti etc) who reached north-westren Baluchistan from iran side. Pashtuns of sulieman mountains are the original inhabitants of north-western balochistan, it is birth place of pashtun people from where they spread to afghanistan and tribal areas. Upto 1893 the region from quetta upto sibi was part of Afghanistan, was handed to british in durand line treaty…British incorporated these regions with some baloch areas and termed it British balochistan. Most of the balochs were living in Qalat state, not british balochistan which was pashtun majority except mari and bugti tribes. Muslim leagui leaders from balochistan like qazi mohammad isa were pashtuns.

In History forum, Mir Baloch posted some material against this perception.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/indo-pak-history/624423-treaty-of-kalat-in-1758-between-kandahar-afghanistan-and-kalat-balochistan.html

[marwati]

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@muqawwee123

In History forum, Mir Baloch posted some material against this perception.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/indo-pak-history/624423-treaty-of-kalat-in-1758-between-kandahar-afghanistan-and-kalat-balochistan.html

Mir baloch is right , Kalat was vassal state of durrani empire rather than part of it. Baloch people were allies of Afghans rather than their subjugated subjects…balochs contributed troops to durrani military compaigns, chief of kalat himself rode with Ahmad shah abdali to panipat war.

But here i am not talking about Kalat state or baloch areas, the pashtun belt of balochistan was part of Afghanistan untill 1893…baloch nationalists and separatists do not claim any pashtun territory of balochistan. Here is durand line treaty,

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[muqawwee123]

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@marwati

Mir baloch is right , Kalat was vassal state of durrani empire rather than part of it. Baloch people were allies of Afghans rather than their subjugated subjects…balochs contributed troops to durrani military compaigns, chief of kalat himself rode with Ahmad shah abdali to panipat war.

But here i am not talking about Kalat state or baloch areas, the pashtun belt of balochistan was part of Afghanistan untill 1893…baloch nationalists and separatists do not claim any pashtun territory of balochistan. Here is durand line treaty,
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So Quetta was always a Afghan / Pashtun city?

[waleedhbk]

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There is a vast different in both these Pathans I think

[muqawwee123]

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There is a vast different in both these Pathans I think

Explain please. What about Miyanwali ka Pathan?

[waleedhbk]

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@muqawwee123

Explain please. What about Miyanwali ka Pathan?

Pathans from Mianwali are awesome :ik:

[muqawwee123]

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@waleedhbk

Pathans from Mianwali are awesome :ik:

Mianwali’s Pathans came from Quetta or Peshawer?

[Ali_Syed]

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^ they would be through Peshawar. Quetta is far away. There are Pashtuns throughout Punjab. Kasur used to be Pashtun ruled, the kasuris are Pashtuns and in rural Punjab we have got durranis, lodhis and kakkay zais.

[muqawwee123]

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^ they would be through Peshawar.

How come? Can't they be from tribes who moved to Sahiwal and adjoing areas during war between Rinds and Lasharis at the time of Chakar Khan?

[Ali_Syed]

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How come? Can't they be from tribes who moved to Sahiwal and adjoing areas during war between Rinds and Lasharis at the time of Chakar Khan?

They were Baloch no? Baloch are there in south Punjab and then you can trace them in other areas as well. I have studied with a Baloch from Jhelum.

[muqawwee123]

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@Ali_Syed

They were Baloch no? Baloch are there in south Punjab and then you can trace them in other areas as well. I have studied with a Baloch from Jhelum.

This is something about the settlers in Mianwali

History-Gazateer of Mianwali

**Biluchch Pathans

** A few families of Biluchch Pathans came across the Indus . from the Paniala Hills .Of these, one became dominant at Piplan, while the others moved on into the Thal and took up their abode eventually in and about Jandanwala.

Mianwalis Pathans might be from KP as Mianwalis borders are connected with KP and Attock.