Whats the difference in their language and culture?
Do they have their same origins or they are from different tribes, etc
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What about zabardasti kay pathan? i.e yousafzai
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What about zabardasti kay pathan? i.e yousafzai
but Yousufzai are real Pathans. seems a propaganda by rival Khatak.
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but Yousufzai are real Pathans. seems a propaganda by rival Khatak.
How come? they don't speak pashto and don't even follow the traditions of pathans.I need information about them how they are real pathans?
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may be this thread can explain basics:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/indo-pak-history/562024-conflict-between-khataks-and-yusuf-zais.html
Post 18 says:
There are three major Pashtoon tribes. Afridi, Khatak and Yusuf Zai
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Youtube video is not working, sirf name lgany sy pathan to ni ban skty na?
3-4 of my classmates were yousufzai pathan and we used to call them nakli pathan and they never said they were not.They were like any other urdu speaking people with not a single different thing on the basis of which we can say that they are real pathans.
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Youtube video is not working, sirf name lgany sy pathan to ni ban skty na? 3-4 of my classmates were yousufzai pathan and we used to call them nakli pathan and they never said they were not.They were like any other urdu speaking people with not a single different thing on the basis of which we can say that they are real pathans.
Yusufzai have probably migrated more than other tribes and therefore they don't have command over Pashto like other Pathan tribes. The other reasons may be that they adapted modern education and are more progressive than other tribes. That is why there is rivalry and exclusion of them from Pathan community. Otherwise, no historian could term them non-Pathan
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As far as I know Yousafzai's are pashtuns.
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I believe that there could be some differences in the culture of Southern Pashtuns from Northern ones. There are some differences in accent as well, maybe similar to how our languages change from Northern Punjab going southwards.
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I believe that there could be some differences in the culture of Southern Pashtuns from Northern ones. There are some differences in accent as well, maybe similar to how our languages change from Northern Punjab going southwards.
Any idea, when and from which areas Pashtuns reached Balochistan?
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Any idea, when and from which areas Pashtuns reached Balochistan?
I believe they have linkages with Southern Afghanistan (kandahar etc). Southern and Eastern parts of Afghanistan are pashtun, and the areas of Pakistan surrounding those areas are pashtuns.
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Pashtuns maintain that the abolition of the West Pakistan as One Unit in 1970 created a Balochistan that had never existed in history. The unity of the British Chief Commissioner’s province—largely Pashtun territory except the leased Baloch areas of Kohlu-Bugti agencies, Naseerabad and Naushki-Chagai—was kept intact even after 1947. It was acknowledged as a separate entity from the Kalat states—-which Pashtun nationalist call as Baloch-Brahui confederacy—in the Independence Act of 1947 as well as in all constitutional formulas until 1970.
Baloch do not disagree, as yet. The late Khan of Kalat, Ahmad Yar Khan protested in a letter to Yahya Khan in 1970 that the Kalat states and the leased areas “do not want to be forced to become part of the rest of the Quetta division with which they do not desire to be merged.” Baloch Republican Party’s Brahmadagh Bugti has recently echoed support for similar boundaries, saying that ‘Azad Balochistan’ will incorporate only Baloch areas of Balochistan.
Here lies the catch: Which are the Baloch areas? one may ask.
Pashtunkhwa Milli Awami Party’s President Mahmood Khan Achakzai names 12 districts out of total 30 as Pashtun dominated. Baloch might not have a problem if Pishin, Killa Abdullah, Killa Saifullah, Zhob, Loralai, Musakhel, Harnai and Ziarat are mentioned as Pashtun districts. But they will have a big issue with Barkhan and Bolan dubbed as Pashtun districts. Tempers will further rise over Sibi and a complete war will be on cards if Quetta is conceded as Pashtun area.
Baloch quote record from the days of the mythical doyen of the Baloch identity, Chakar Khan’s great migration to these lands; how that epitome of Baloch glory, Naseer Khan Nouri established his independence from Afghan kings and how the successive Khans of Kalat leased Baloch lands to the British under duress.
Pashtuns counter with a matching reference from history—starting from Ahmad Shah Abdali, if not from the Mughal era: How Abdali conferred “the rule of Kalat” on Nouri in 1749; How the British acquired the Afghan domains of Pishin, Sibbi and—controversially—Quetta from the Khan of Kalat instead of its rightful owner, the Afghan king. They pile up records from the original royal decrees and revenue records of tribes, water rights and taxes from the British Gazette.
Bolan Pass being strategically crucial to both designs is critical. Pashtunkhwa’s former Senator Dr. Hamid Achakzai says the Pashtuns have a claim on the northern part of the Bolan Pass. Balochistan National Party (Mengal) leader Dr. Jahanzeb Jamaldini scoffs at the idea: “Pashtuns’ claim that their territory runs from Chitral to Bolan is funny— the fact is that neither do they have Pashtuns in Chitral nor in Bolan.”
The issue over Barkhan is even more interesting. It lies in the middle of the mineral rich Kohlu-Bugti agencies and Pashtun districts of Loralai and Musakhel. Pashtuns claim that the largest tribe of Khetrans in Barkhan is Pashtun. Ask a Khetran —- he will introduce himself as a Baloch. Pashtuns counter with a historical argument that the royal tribe of Khetran in Wahova (Punjab) say they are Pashtuns. Now who will decide the ethnicity of Khetrans, history or people?
The battle intensifies when the debate extends to Sibi. The lingua franca in the ancient town of Sibbi is Sindhi, seconded by Saraiki; the MNA and MPA are Baloch (Ahmadan Bugti on the national seat of Nawab Akbar Bugti and his son-in-law Bakhtiar Domki on the provincial), the locals in Sibbi town are a mix of Pashtuns, Baloch, Sindhis and Saraikis.
Pashtuns allege that the ethnic ratio of Sibbi is being changed. A Pashto dominated Harani has been made a district only to separate it from Sibi while the Baloch dominated tehsil of Lehri has been added to turn Sibi into a Baloch majority district.
Pashtunkhwa Party has already gone to the courts on this issue.
Pashtuns claim that Sibi was an Afghanistan district occupied by the British in the last century. It is house to the Pashtun tribes Barozais, Lunis and Khajjaks. But the Pashtun majority gets upset from the rigged voting in Dera Bugti and Kohlu, which are part of the national constituency. “They got as many votes from Lehri as there were total voters,” alleged Kabeer Afghan, President of Pashtun Students Organisation. “They have cut off Harnai from Sibi by closing down the historic railway line connecting the two.”
Baloch say that Sibi was always a Baloch territory even if it may have been under the Afghans at some stage. “But then boundaries have been overlapping among various empires in history,” says former Senator Manzoor Gichki. “It depends on how far you want to go into history.” History mixed with politics is lethal. It becomes worse when the battle turns into a war in Quetta.
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Quetta kay Pathan ki chai/ doodh patti aur Peshawar kay Pathan ki KaraHi. other than that language, Pashtoon from Quetta mix more persian while Pashtoon from Peshawar mix more Darri when they speak
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in our area, for some odd reasons, paThaans are considered lower class and marriages with them is NOT encouraged.
i personally do NOT believe in zaat paat in Islam in any form, shape or guise. :)
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in our area, for some odd reasons, paThaans are considered lower class and marriages with them is NOT encouraged.
i personally do NOT believe in zaat paat in Islam in any form, shape or guise. :)
which tribe of Pathans is in majority in India?
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even Bugti’s are Karmazai’s…could have some relationship to pashtuns, but dont want to hurt any one’s feelings here… 
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why should someone get hurt. sab Adam ki aulad hain :cobra:
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you know sometimes people get blinded in nationalism. :cobra: Just like Khetran’s mentioned in the other post.