Quetta Mosque bombing / Militants 'claim' responsibility (merged)

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*Originally posted by Pathan Bhai: *
Cut the bullsh*t fraudia.

How many times do we see a sunni mosque being fired on? and even if we do, we always have a wahabhi orgns pointed at from sunnis. Molana Qadri and many other various sunni aalim's convicted murderes were wahabhis, i.e. lashkar e jhangvi.

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okay my bad, sipah e muhammad is not a terrorist outfit. sunnis should be killed because sunni terrorist organizations are killing innocent shias.

Sipah e Muhammad deserves to be nominated for the nobel peace prize.
they have never killed a single innocent person.

khush?

Oh lemme add to it, all sunnis are in on it and dont give a damn. They all should be killed. There are no extrmist shias in teh world, all sunnis are wahabis and are all terrorists.

Better?

Maddie are you thus saying that Tehrik e jafaria which is part of MMA is not doing anything to stop these terrorist acts?

Fraudia,tell me you're pretending that you know nothing. SUNNIS not equal to WAHABHIS

Plus, agreed wholeheartedly with Imdad Ali.

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Originally posted by Pathan Bhai: *
Fraudia,tell me you're pretending that you know nothing. **SUNNIS
* not equal to WAHABHIS

Plus, agreed wholeheartedly with Imdad Ali.
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Pathan bhai, I must apologize, being born and raised abroad I probably do not understand the details and complexities of the titles of sects and groups as you may.

In my view all sunnis are not wahabhis. But if you go back and read thsi post there are pkenty of threads stating that sunnis will not understand this or the sunni govt is not doing anything etc etc. That is my basic issue its irresponsible to say that unless you are a shia you do not feel the pain of this incident or feel awful for the situation in the country. All of us have to condemn extremists in Pakistan, no matter what group they belong to.

The shia extremist groups were banned just liek sunni miltant groups, and as Maddir has pointed out atleast one shia extremist group is now part of MMA.

These extremist outfits depended on support from Saudi Arabia and Iran respectively, and started causing more problems when many fighters retruned from teh conflict in Afghanistan and had to find another use for their bullets.

Most people are blaming the MMA and all for this... I think we should blame the Government for not taking adequate measures... During the previous regime, atleast there used to be armed policemen guarding the mosques, as i remember, but since 2001, there have been none or just one or two. The situation was so bad that while praying, we used to have thoughts in our minds that somoene will just drop in while we are praying, start firing openly!!!

The Pro-Musharraf guppies here are making the picture different. They think that the oppositions struggle against the non-constituitional LFO and a dictator is what caused this attack. Well, sorry to say but this is nothing new in Pakistan, and this time, as much as I hate it, we should start blaming the lack of security measures in our country... Right now, it is too easy for the fundos to just drop by a mosque in a motorcycle, start firing openly, or throw some grenades...

I hope the military is utilized and a major crackdown operation be launched... Best of luck to the Government in catching these barbarians!!

the problem is(well,its the reality) there will be a revengeful aftermath to this tragic incident and sadly innocent shia muslims are going to lose their lives.

its sid that the security forces killed all the three attackers and soon after the incident, people got on the street and they got along with the sense of rampage.

this brutal incident has to be condemned by all sectors!!!!!!!!!!

It's early to speculate what really took place, but my personal opinion is that the Hazara minority were the actual targets and not just the shias. The Hazaras just happen to be shias. Why this has happened? well, since the NA thugs are in control across the borders and they have been persecuting the Pakthoon majority all over Afghanistan, and many of them happens to be ehtnic hazaras and shias. There's lot of grudge against anyone who has any racial or religious similarities with the NA. This is the actual root cause of this attack, and how the events have culminated against the Pashtoons after the war in Afghanistan.

The tensions have been running high in and around Quetta and Chamman since the desecration of the bodies of the Taliban soldiers few weeks ago; when the NA soldiers simply tossed them out of the trucks on the Pakistani side.

However, there is no excuse for such a barbaric action. The government should have provided adequate security to the Hazara minority after the police truck was attacked in early June in Quetta when eleven shia cadets were killed. The assailants managed to flee and this attack is likely carried out by the same group.

PS- Imdad Ali, I am warning you for the final time to desist from using this forum for hate mongering. It is absolutely not allowed against any sect. Otherwise, I will ask for sanctions to placed until you have calmed down.

It’s good to read that Deobandi groups are saying it was wrong.

http://www.frontierpost.com.pk/topstories.asp#4
RAWALPINDI (Online): Allama Sajid Naqvi, central leader of MMA Friday strongly condemned the killing of twenty worshipers by unidentified terrorists in Quetta. Reacting to the yet another sectarian related incident, Naqvi in a statement said that these terrorist activities were carried out under well thought out strategy and state institutions were aware of it. He regretted the inability of Jamali administration to control the menace of terrorism saying Jamali did not even have the courage to order the arrest of culprits, as he himself had become hostage in the hands of state institutions. He warned that if adequate arrangements were not made to curb the evil, the violence would spread to all parts of the country. Meanwhile, other leaders- Hafiz Hussein Ahmed and Maulana Noor Muhammad expressed their regret over the gory incident of Quetta and termed it a “conspiracy.”

Is that all they could say? Truly pathetic!

This act of terrorism was carried out in the name of Islam supposedly, and these MMA leaders are always lecturing others including the state on Islam. Then why don’t thy go down to Quetta and condole with the families of those killed? They should be marching in solidarity with the Shia community in Quetta and Pakistan, and should be organising demo’s aginst the Sunni extremist groups - after all they are quick to organise demo’s for other things are they not?

Prime Minister Jamali has gone down to Quetta at least](http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/July-2003/5/main/top2.asp), and his government and the previous Musharraf government have taken measures to crack down on these people, and were condemned as American stooges when they did. Remember that? Now tell me has this Hafiz Hussein Ahmed and Maulana Noor Muhammad or Maulana Fazlur Rahman or Qazi Hussain gone down to Quetta?

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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *

The shia extremist groups were banned just liek sunni miltant groups, and as Maddir has pointed out atleast one shia extremist group is now part of MMA.

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Fraudia, first of all i apologize if i said something too inflamatory. It is just that i lost few close friends in a similar incident that took place in Karachi in the mid 1990's. Sorry abt that.

bro, u talk abt shia extremist groups backed by Iran. These groups may have numerous fundamental ideas but i can tell u thjat their agenda list doesnt include killings of the innocent people. Have you ever heared of a sunni mosque being fired on or a Shia terrorist being caught?

good post pathan bhai :k:

Originally posted by Pathan Bhai: *
**Fraudia, first of all i apologize if i said something too inflamatory. It is just that i lost few close friends in a similar incident that took place in Karachi in the mid 1990's. Sorry abt that. *

I understand. as I have made clear before, I am absolutely not condoning any idiotic actions of these jackasses and am In favour of death penalty for them. What had bothered me was that certain people were giving it a more sinister spin as if sunnis do not care or do not understand.

*Have you ever heared of a sunni mosque being fired on or a Shia terrorist being caught? *

Yes and Yes. if you look into the history of teh conflict between these bunch of idiots you will find the info as well. look beyond today's headlines and see what this group is in reality. Just as evil and as crooked at lashkar e jhangvi. two camps of idiots killing innocentppl instead of one another.

I propose that all lahskar and sipah ppl be dropped in a big abandoned building with weapons locked and let their idiotic nature play out teh rest of the story

if they really care then can't they do somthing about it? be honest, if you go to cnn.com and see a headline saying 44 ppl dead in a mosque in pakistan..wouldnt you know which sect the dead belonged to without clicking on the link? sure some sunnis feel bad about it but i have got a family living in pakistan..i wish i can bring them all to the US, where they will be much safer then they are in their own country

you dont hear about any incident for a month and you start to feel better but these assholes dont waste much time..and the govt hasnt done enough so far

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**if they really care then can't they do somthing about it? *

Who is "they" government or people?

If you are talking about people, what do you want ppl to do? What can they do? What is teh track record of people in general? political apathy reigns. how often have you seen ppl in Pakistan actually do something for anything that effects them?

So equating inaction from the people does not mean that they dont care. I have shia cousins and these gusy have never taken part in a protest, written a letter or done anything. By that token does it mean theya re all for this violence?

If by"they" you mean govt. I think what the govt has done so far is a bold move. ore needs to be done, no doubt about it. Looking at the ethnic violence in Karachi in the 80's and 90's I know how hard it could be to control these things, but you are right more needs to be done by law enforcement.

*be honest, if you go to cnn.com and see a headline saying 44 ppl dead in a mosque in pakistan..wouldnt you know which sect the dead belonged to without clicking on the link? *

Lately, yes, but that has not been always the case. Due to that I would think that there is a higher probability that its a shia mosque that was attacked, but the 100% probability is that it was a muslim place of worship. a congregation of Pakistanis, mulims, humans that were killed. It would help if others thought the same way.

*sure some sunnis feel bad about it but i have got a family living in pakistan..i wish i can bring them all to the US, where they will be much safer then they are in their own country *

sure, everyone has family living in Pakistan. everyone worries about people's safety events in teh past have indicated that no one is really safe. ppl could be made a target for their faith, their ethnicity, their social status..whatever.

*you dont hear about any incident for a month and you start to feel better but these assholes dont waste much time..and the govt hasnt done enough so far *

That I agree with, and feel that all sectarian parties members. and leadership be thrown in the slammer or executed.

Inna Lillahe Wa Inna Ilaihe Rajayoon.

Any words of wisdom from the religious leaders yet, or are they still too busy worrying about the LFO and trying to authenticate their degrees?

shias too are capable of terror…read the bolded section.
shias set on fire a madarrasa and with it almost killed 360 students.
now i guess all 360 kids were putting on their sucide belts to blow up shias…pathetic that shias and many sunnis only see when shias are killed..that mob had full intention of killing those 360 kids but only firebridage and army saved those kids from burning. sheraz..do u condemn this now or will u blame wahabis of that act ???

http://www.dawn.com/2003/07/05/top1.htm
QUETTA, July 4: At least 44 people were killed and 65 injured in an attack on an imambargah in the heart of the city during Friday prayers. It is generally thought to be a suicide attack which is seen as lending a frightening new dimension to such incidents in the country.

The identity or the number of attackers could not be confirmed immediately, although one of them was said to have been killed in an exchange of gunfire.

The massacre was followed by angry demonstrations and rioting that led to the imposition of a curfew in the city. The Frontier Corps was called out, and there were incidents of firing to quell enraged protesters.

On June 8, 11 police recruits from the Hazara tribe were killed in an attack on their bus, precipitating tension the city.

The incident took place in the imambargah situated on MeCongy Road when people were offering the Juma prayers.

According to reports, three attackers entered the imambargah from the MeCongy Road gate. Two entered the main hall where the Juma congregation was in progress.

The two assailants carrying automatic weapons opened indiscriminate fire on the people. They continued firing for over 10 minutes. In the meanwhile, a powerful bomb exploded outside the main hall, killing the suicide bomber and many other people offering prayers.

After carrying out the attack, the two assailants came out of the main hall and tried to flee. A local journalist, Riaz, tried to overpower them. However, he was shot dead.

In the meanwhile, private guards of the imambargah opened fire on the attackers. One of the attackers was killed on the spot while the other received injuries. He later died in the hospital.

“I was offering prayers in the front row when the firing began. I saw two men firing on the faithful,” Mehmood Hussain told Dawn at the CMH Quetta.

“The firing lasted for over ten minutes,” Mr Hussain said, and added that he later heard an explosion outside the main hall.

Another eyewitness Khan Ali said: “I was praying outside the main hall where a bomb was exploded and I saw many disfigured bodies.”

The son-in-law of Syed Ahmed Raza, Controller Dawn Balochistan, Special Assistantat Dawn’s marketing section in Quetta Walayat Hussain and his brother-in-law Tanzeem Hussain were also killed in the incident.

Angry people took to the streets afterwards and set on fire around two dozen vehicles. The also attacked and damaged many private and government building, including the casualty ward of the Civil Hospital where the victims were taken.

The injured were later shifted to the Combined Military Hospital.Soon after the incident thousands of people belonging to the Hazara tribe rushed to the Civil Hospital. They blocked the main Jinnah Road and started pelting vehicles with stones and also targeted police.

The protesters moved to different areas of the city and set ablaze private and government vehicles, including two fire tenders. They smashed window-panes of shops, banks and other government and private buildings. Two banks were also set on fire. Some of the protesters also fired shots. They also tried to attack police vehicles in different areas.

**A section of the mob also attacked a madressah in Marriabad area and set it on fire. However, army personnel and other law enforcement agencies rushed to the scene and saved the lives of around 360 students. Over two dozen students fell unconscious due to suffocation. **

The army has taken position in different areas and the situation is under control now, the Quetta Nazim said.

The army and the Frontier Corps were patrolling the city and people were asked to stay indoors.

The deceased were identified as Walayat Hussain, Asim Ali, Tanzeem Haider, Syed Mohammad Naqi, Ramzan Ali, Mohammad Mehdi, Munir Ahmed, Ijaz Hussain, Mohammad Hussain, Syed Baqir Raza, Mohammad Ayub, Mohammad Hasan, Sadat Ali, Haji Abdul Wahid, Syed Raza, Rajab Ali, Tasuwwar Abbas, Mustafa Zafar Haider, Mohammad Latif, Haider Ali, Mehdi, Haji Ghulam Mohammad, Mohammad Kashif, Mohammad Younus, Zawar, Mohammad Naqi, Muzaffar Ali and Nazar Hussain.

The identity of the rest of the deceased could not be ascertained.The injured were identified as Mubarak Ali, Hazarat Khan, Naib Ali, Hasan Reza, Ali Reza, Syed Kazim, Safdar Ali, Saifullah, Fateh, Mohammad Mohsin, Syed Ahmed Shah, Liaquat, Basit Ali, Kamal Ali, Mohammad Waseem, Mohammad Zahid, Sajid, Mohammad Ali, Ghulam Abbas, Samiullah, Mohsin Ali, Asharf Ali, Hasan Raza, Mohammad Younus, Shaukat Ali, Syed Zakir Hussain, Riaz Hussain, Mohammad Yasin, Abdul Shakoor, Nooruddin, Mahmood, Khair Hussain, Mohammad Younus, Ali Abid, Master Ali Reza, Mohammad Baqir, Syed Reza Hussain, Moheem Hussain, Ahmed Ali, Nazir Abbas, Murtaza, Saifullah, Afzal, Sher and Tanvir

Musharraf vows crackdown

PARIS: President Pervez Musharraf vowed on Friday to pursue extremist elements he said were bent on undermining his government after an attack on an Imambargah in Quetta. Gen Musharraf, who was briefing journalists in Paris when news of the attack broke, said he did not know details of the attack or who was responsible.-AFP

no doubt it was a bad act..but it does say a section of people did this act right after the bombing..probably the relatives of the shias who got killed..no way you can compare this act with what happend at the mosque..that was planned...i'd like to see you present shias flowers at their imam bargah right after your family gets killed by them

Sorry bhai, but that is completely untrue.

Between 1991 and 2001…at least 1,865 Shi’ites and 810 Sunnis have been killed in sectarian violence.](http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/Cl01Df03.html) That is more like like 70% Shia and 30% Sunni’s killed is it not?

And in Punjab province between 1990 and 1999 the figures are 411 Shia’s killed as against 212 Sunnis as a result of sectarian clashes](http://www.karachipage.com/news/sectarian2.html) Is that not more like 65% Shia’s and 35% Sunni’s killed?

I don’t feel comfortable putting the killings of my Shia and Sunni Muslim brothers into percentages, because to me they are both just Muslims, and 100% of those killed were Muslims. But people on both sides have to recognise, however high our emotions that both Shia’s and Sunni’s have been killed in large numbers, and trying to monoplise suffering for one side is only helping the extremists on the other side, as it furthers their goal to perpetuate and increase this hatred, fasad and murder. Do we want to do that?

Many times, I’m sorry to say so and here are just some examples over the years…

One killed and 7 are injured when a grenade is lobbed into a Sunni mosque in a village near Multan](http://pakistanspace.tripod.com/1994.htm)

Gunmen open fire at a prayer congregation in a Sunni mosque in Karachi, killing 8](http://pakistanspace.tripod.com/1995.htm)

Gunmen kill 21 worshippers at Sunni mosque in Pakistan](http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1996/sep/09-24-96/news/news9.html)

Nine people killed in an attack on the Sunni Ziaul Uloom Mosque in Lahore. The same day, three worshippers were killed when a bomb exploded in a Sunni mosque in Multan](Asia)

Nine Sunnis saying evening prayers in a mosque in Lahore yesterday were shot dead and another 11 people were injured.](Sectarian killing spree takes hold | World news | The Guardian)