Looking at this thread and reading the back and forth messages, this is exactly what our enemies want... the infighting within muslims, while our "friendly neighbors" and external entities keep playing their games. We have to rise above our minor differences of shia and sunni and look at the bigger picture. This is a big game and conspiracy, and I request you to stop this infighting and try to understand the big picture... the need of the time is unity, not petty fights.
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Looking at this thread and reading the back and forth messages, this is exactly what our enemies want... the infighting within muslims, while our "friendly neighbors" and external entities keep playing their games. We have to rise above our minor differences of shia and sunni and look at the bigger picture. This is a big game and conspiracy, and I request you to stop this infighting and try to understand the big picture... the need of the time is unity, not petty fights.
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Jayzee
appreciate your sentiments, although i dont agree with the conspiracy bit yet. The back and forth is not an argument from my side in justifying the actions of any group. I am just letting my friend here realize that we have to be united and oppose extremist elements in all forms.
i will tell you what we shias are all about..i went to a majlis and the topic was Islam..the molvi was saying how peaceful our religion is..he said that if there was ever a situation that we would have to risk our life to safe the life of a hindu ..islam tells us to do that...i dont wanna get into details right now but yes i feel bad even when a hindu gets killed..i felt bad when they killed dozens of pandits in kashmir...i wouldnt even hit a sunni with a stick so forget killing them....but my blood boils down when i keep hearing that shias are getting killed in pakistan..no one does anything about it
Sheraz my bro
I understand your pain and frustration. all I am trying to do is make sure that you dont think that non shias dont care. we care, we denounce this lame violence.
I am as disappointed in Pakistani politicians as you are. I appluad Pres Musharrasf's decisioon to ban these goons.
But look at the disappointment in Pakistani politicians in a diff light, they have not done jack to resolve this, but then they have not done jack to resolve any other issues that pakistanis have. They are self serving idiots.
Do not look at their inability or inaction to resolve this problem as an anti shia bias, (although i am not so sure about the sincerity of our MMA politicians), but as another example of how they just dont give a hoot about the people theya re supposed to be serving.
Thank god for Musharraf, and pray that he is able to continue on his path to contain and eliminate these extremist *******s.
May Allah bless the souls of our brothers. Our authorities need to have an iron fist to deal with these culprits.
May they, the extremists burn in the depths of the hell.
Is there no value of life in Pakistan? What is the government doing? ....sleeping??!!!
Where are the laws, if they are, why are they not implemented. Damn with all the prosperity, and good economic indicators, when the life of citizens is not safe!!!!!!
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i will tell you what we shias are all about..i went to a majlis and the topic was Islam..the molvi was saying how peaceful our religion is..he said that if there was ever a situation that we would have to risk our life to safe the life of a hindu ..islam tells us to do that...i dont wanna get into details right now but yes i feel bad even when a hindu gets killed..i felt bad when they killed dozens of pandits in kashmir...i wouldnt even hit a sunni with a stick so forget killing them....but my blood boils down when i keep hearing that shias are getting killed in pakistan..no one does anything about it
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that are sane words.. we all feel out disgust when a muslim is killed in pakistan from any faith.. so we should try find root cause instead poiting fingers at all sections of society like sunnis, shias etc.. that news itself is a hate monger.. the news should be 40 innocent muslims killed by extremists.. categorizing dead as from some faith spreads more hate and killings.. point is what we can do to stop this sendseless tragedy occuring in future.. short term andlong tern effective ways to educate whole society that extremists in all faiths should be stopped and disliked..
It's a setback for Mushie Govt. When they started off cleaning up the extremists mess, the death toll declined, attacks on majorities(Sunnis) and minorities(Shias, Christians, Hindus etc) were never in the news; and Pakistan was almost on the right track, Moderate Islamic State with religions tolerance. Since after the support on War on Terrorism, the extremists turned the heat on innocent people.
Majority of the Sunnis have no problem with Shias. Enemies exits within our ourseleves. Where are our religious buds? Where is Maulana Fazl-ur-Rahman? Where's Qazi Hussian Ahmad? Where the hell are they? They all talk about Jihad Jihad but ducks the problem that exits within Pakistan. Ducks it whenever some innocent Pakistanis become target of religious fanatics. What kind of security, protection would they provide to the people who brought them into National Assembly? They can't do anything for the people living under their authorities and talk about Jihad against America!
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Is there no value of life in Pakistan? What is the government doing? ....sleeping??!!!
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The govt had made a bold move when it banned the extremist groups, now they need to crackdown on these ppl much harder. start making examples of ppl who beloing to these groups, support these groups and are sympathizers of these groups
It would howver be nice to see something from our self appointed guradians of the faith i.e. MMA folks.
Anyways guys, I am going to pray for teh victims and theri families, and that our govt deals with this menace. Have a good weekend, I will drop in later.
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The govt had made a bold move when it banned the extremist groups, now they need to crackdown on these ppl much harder. start making examples of ppl who beloing to these groups, support these groups and are sympathizers of these groups
It would howver be nice to see something from our self appointed guradians of the faith i.e. MMA folks.
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Fraudia you know that the MMA and other opportunist political parties are opposing President Musharraf's incorporation of the LFO in the constiution. This is one of the clauses of the LFO:-
"Provided that no political party shall promote sectarian, ethnic, regional hatred or animosity, or be titled or constituted as a militant group or section."
Maybe the MMA lot are scared that their parties and outfits would be banned under this clause of the LFO/amended constitution? Cowards.
The only terrorists in Pakistan are the Saudi sponsored groups roaming around. Sunnis are not being targeted, shias are. Stop trying to bring your imaginary killings of sunnis into the picture. I'm sorry that some of you find the truth disturbing.
I ask again, what is the brave Pakistani army doing? Shouldn't they be knocking down these terrorist training camps and putting people like Mullah Azim Tariq in prison rather then the parliament? This is really a sick joke, when people are start inventing some terrorist Shia groups while Shias are the ones being killed and the murderers being protected by the state.
Is this better adminji?
Yes. Attacks against any particular religious groups are not permitted by Gupshup politics forum policy. See The Rules](http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showrules.php?s=&forumid=11) Point 7
sipah e muhammad a lame extremist shia outfit is not my invention. I have no respect whatsoever for the sunni extremist outfits, but I am perplexed whys ome peopel can not find fault in teh shia extremist outfits and start considering it an invention.
The government and the military should do more (thus we are asking for the military to save our people since the politicians are not going to do jack)
But saying that there have never been a shia extremist outfit, that had butchered innocent sunnis is just liek someone saying that there are no sunni extremist outfits and this is the work of outside interests.
This is sick! When Riaz Basra was killed there were thousand of people attending his janaza that shows how much gund we have in our country. IT would have helped if we had bombed the whole place. These people are followers of Riaz Basra aka killers of shias.
Sorry we are no where near peace. Banning parties won't take us anywhere. Our "bravy' army should make raids and execute these hate mongers one by one. WE should adopt a zero Tolerance policy..
sherry
they should have arrested everyone at his funeral with the exception of immediate family as sympathizers to the extremist cause. Sadly we have too many ppl who passively support groups like such by allowing sectarian hatred to burn in their hearts.
I suppose now we can start understanding the challenge that US faced. how to have a zero tolerance intense cracvkdown on militants. what do we think of it now?
maybe ashcroft should set up the policy of pakistan's anti extremist efforts.
This is a thread that I posted nearly two years ago about the banning of Sunni and Shia extremist terrorist groups:-
President bans Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Mohammad.](http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23096)
Also, I believe the President later banned another Sunni and Shia extremist terrorist groups, namely the Sipah-e-Sahaba and Tehrik-e-Jafria Pakistan?
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Interestingly enough, the very same sectarian Shia terrorist outfit banned by the President, the Tehrik-i-Jafria (see Link from BBC) is now a cooperative part of the MMA.
Hence the very same MMA that many here have accused of being silent on sectarian attacks on Shias is doing far more with its actions than its words in the struggle to end sectarianism in Pakistan.
After all, unlike the government, the MMA has reached out to and embraced, and brought to its very bosom, Pakistan’s biggest Shia terrorist organisation in an effort to bring peace, end the violence, and bring unity to Pakistan’s muslims.
Sadly, there clearly remain some Sunni terrorists who do not see want peace in the same way as the TJP and who are still hellbent on their murderous rampages. 
A truly horrific event. I cannot imagine that someone who would attack a mosque would call themselves muslim. I cannot even begin to comprehend the mind set that encourages actions like these.
Although I must admit that I have a suspicion that some part (however small) of this terrorism is sponsered by groups outside of Pakistan.
Whatever the case, I hope the idiots responsible for this are apprehended and executed.
Cut the bullsh*t fraudia.
How many times do we see a sunni mosque being fired on? and even if we do, we always have a wahabhi orgns pointed at from sunnis. Molana Qadri and many other various sunni aalim's convicted murderes were wahabhis, i.e. lashkar e jhangvi.
… agree :k: with Imdad Ali …