QUESTIONS TO A SHIA

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are we in GS cafe ? :D

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the "claim" of origin of Shiaism from Ibne Saba is "sensitive" and "mistreated"....

yaar still we are in GS cafe :D

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when abdullah ibne saba found in Egypt there are opponents of usman(ra) ..he went there..became very pious...and hen started his ideology in his followers...he said for every prophet there is asistant and "wasi" ...and for muhammad(pbuh) ...he is ali(ra) .Ummah betrayed ali(ra).....snatched his right...abu bakr(ra)...umar(ra) ...and now usman(ra) is also doing the same...so revolt against usman(ra) is "Farz"....and bait of ali(ra) is "Farz" on every "momin" ...so some egyptians came into his trap and revolted against usman(ra)

"Rozat-us-Safa"
(persian languauge)
volume no. 2
pg. no. 296
printed in Iran.

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Sure dear, take one example at the moment, its abou Hariz bin Uthman al Hamisi. Imam of Ahle Sunnah Ibn Hajar Asqalani records in Tahdeeb al Tahdeeb (excerpt):
Narrated in Al Bukhari and the four (i.e Sunan Abu Dawood, Sunan Al-Tirmidhi, Sunan Al-Nisa’i, Sunan Ibn Majah)… Mua’dh bin Mua’dh said: ‘I don’t think I saw some one in Shaam better than him’… Al-Ajuri said: ‘Abu Dawood said that all the Sheikhs of Hariz are authentic (Thiqat) and I asked Ahmad ibn Hanbal about Hariz to which he said: “Thiqah, Thiqah”’… Duhaim said: ‘His chain of narration (isnad) is sahih and said again: ‘Thiqah’’. Al-Mufadhal bin Ghasan said: “Thabt”… Ahmad bin Abi Yahya narrates that Ahmad (Ibn Hanbal) said: Hariz’s hadith is Sahih but he hated Ali… Al-Ejli said: ‘Thiqah and he hated Ali’. Amro bin Ali said : ‘He used to abuse Ali’… Hariz bin Uthman said: The tradition what the people narrate of the Holy prophet " Ali to me is what Haroon was to Musa" is right but the narrator heard it wrong, it is actually “Ali is to me what Qaroon was to Musa” …Ibn Haban narrated: “He used to curse Ali seventy times a day and seventy times a night”
Tahdeeb al Tahdeeb, Volume 1 No. 436

No need to mention that Qaroon was the enemy of Allah [swt] condemned in the Holy Quran (28:76-79. 29:39. etc). This impure creature had the audacity to equate Ali [as] with Qaroon, and hated, abused and cursed him (as). Despite this appalling behavior he is a Thiqa narrator of Sunni Hadith.

One who hate or abuse Ali bin Abi Talib [as] is munafiq or kafir according to both Shias and Sunnies and such person is known as ‘Nasibi’. While one who hate or abuse the rest of the three caliphs is called Rafidi. So according to pioneer Sunni ulema, Rafidi narrator is to be rejected but Nasibi is acceptable :confused: This reveals the ‘claim’ of their love for Ahlulbayt [as] , Ali bin Abi Talib [as] in particular. Double standards!!!

There many many more open Nawasib and Khawarij that are integral part of the books from which Ahle Sunnah take their religious teachings, or shall I say they actually take their teachings from those people as they are the ones on whom the books are dependent, and such people includes Abdullah bin Zaid bin Umro , Azhar bin Abdullah bin Jam’i al Hirazi , Khalid bin Abdullah bin Yazid , Naeem bin Abi Hind etc..

Thiqa, Thabt and other similar attributes are awarded for the one who is most reliable one.

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sorry brother....you intentionally left the topic......i invite my respectful readers and members having good knowledge of "Ahadees " to negate the above "truth" .......

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Abdullah Ibn-e-Saba was the first who declared the faith in Imamat and that Ali (r.a) is the true God (Na’uzubillah).

[Anwaar-ul-Na’umania, Vol#2, Pg#234 - Published Iran]

Scans from the Shia book.

Bewafa
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^ so prove....khail khattam paisa hazzam :D

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Had you bothered to read the above reply regarding the chain of narration of this statement, you would have not repeated what has already been rejected. If you can bring its chain of narration then please do so otherwise copy pasting from the websites of najis Nawasib will not make any effect.

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paisa hazzam hogaya apko ? khair, jin kay aba o ajdaad ko awlaad e rasool ka khoon hazzam hogaya , paisa kia cheez hai :D

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your most authentic book al-Kafi has 9000 mozoo ahadees only...40 % purity level ...according to your own ayatullahs...not accordibg to sunni ulemas ..in this case may be 5 or 10 % ...so its sounds ridiculous to ask for chains of narrations from you.....
and i am not nawasib ...they exist in Syria etc... i am from Pakistan..and the site and book from which i quoted and khanbabax quoted is also pakistani...not nawasib...so brother your second argument also wrong.....

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jin logo nai awlad-e-rasool kai saath makkaria ki thee...damad-e-rasool kai saath makkaria aur ghaddaria ki thee... uus kai saath jung (neherwan of khawarij) kee thee...phir ussay shaheed kiya tha...phir hassan ko phattar marai aur galia dee hee...phir ussai zahair diya tha...phir mazloom hussain ko karbla 18,000 khat likh kar mangai tha...aur phir uusai bhi mar diya tha...phir zainab aur doosri aurto ko nangai saar kufa kai bazaro mai phiraya tha...phir hussain kai baitai kai saath bhi dhoka diya tha..phir tawwabeen ki jammat bana kar magarmach kai aansoo bahai thai......

wo sarai to bhugaat chukai ...aur shaid abhi taak bhugat rahai hai Iraq mai.....aur shaid qiyammat tak bhugtai rahain....kabhi history mai iraq ki sarzameen ko kabhi chain naseeb hua hai !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Where does Al-Kafi comes in to the topic? Cant to stick to one topic at the moment? And by the way, Al-Kafi has atleast chain of narration with traditions, if they were weak or strong that is diferent story, but you people have been relying on a notorious Nasibi website and quoting Shia reference that "does not contain" any chain. Can you see the difference between having a chain and nor having a chain of narration? Os is it so abstruse to fit into your mind?

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and i am not nawasib ...they exist in Syria etc... i am from Pakistan
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First of all I didnt specefy you as a Nasibi. Secondly, who told ytou that Nawasib are only found in Syria :D Have I taken the name of any ethnic nation? Had I used Syrian, American, Indian etc you would have been correct to confined them into a territory but I am talking about a religious school (sect) namely Nasibi, that can exist anywhere on the earth. I hope the next day you will not come on and claim that you are not a Hindu just because you live in Pakistan :)

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and the site and book from which i quoted and khanbabax quoted is also pakistani...not nawasib...so brother your second argument also wrong
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The site belongs to a bunch of Nasibi thugs, and everybody knows it. And again, being a Pakistani doesnt have to do anything with one's religion, you can find Hindus as well as other non-muslim people in Pakistan.

Brelvi and Deobandi fiqh (Do we need them?)
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Yeahi to main arz karta hoon hamesha, kay agar woh log itnay hi buray thay to aap hazraat un Khawarij ko, un khatoot likhnay waloon ko, un Tawabeeen ki jammaat waloon ki tazeeem o izzat akhjir kion kartay hain? Kion apni un hadees ki kitaboon main jinhain aap Quran kay baad authentic mantay hain, un main un logon say ahadees riwayat ki hui hain? Kia un logon kay paas hadees laynay kay lye jaanay main apkay Imam hazrat (Bukhari waghera) ko sharam na ayeee?? Kion aap log aaj tak un logon ki pairawi kartay hain ???
(Pairawi say murad meri yeh hai kay ahadees ki kitaab ki pairawi ki jati hai, lakin asal main un logon ki pairawi hoti hai jinhoon nay us kitaab main baatain darj keen).

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^ only a person having good knowledge of ahadees can give you reply in true sense... i am just some interest in history and politics.....

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only a hour ago...i posted some material from this thread and muharram thread about ibne saba with thier own books's proof ....as a result i am now 6 times ban from shiachat ......the ban was recently opened on 1 april.....previously ...the ban was of i week...today when i checked the ban ....it will open on 5 april , 2017 :D

Such sunnai ka hosla nahi tum logo mai....

AUNTY !!! or main ??
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yes brother...i agree with you....the Nehj-ul-Balagha ...which you consider after quran also contains all chains of narations :D

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and you know nasibi are those who consider hussain(ra) as a "revolter" or "baghi" against yazeed .....have i ever said that you are blamming me of a "Nasibi of Pakistan " :D

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but i took 90 % material from book of Allma Ehsan Illahi Zaheer (shaeed) ...he is a Pakistani scholar and not nasibi...so your "nasibi stie propaganda" also failed :D

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thats because they had repented as "Jamat-e-Tawwabuun" so my dear brother...tauba karnai sai to shirk bhi muaf ho jata hai...may be if someone had taken some narration from them...then it does not mean that only these are the narrators ...thousands others also...

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you are unaware of the Nasibi and Khariji roots of your own school and yet you always get excited attacking the belief of others?