Re: Question for Pakistanis living abroad
You're absolutely right daffy, bada maza aata hai na, gori gori nangi nangi ladkioN kay saath.
shocked
cuz gals back home (even of my pind) wear jeans.
lol...honestly i dont know whats so wrong about wearing jeans. well might be tight one is not really a decent wear, but jeans is simply a kapra.
it's not just the "clothing" itself that's a problem, it's what it might possibly represent, mostly westernization.. the shalwar can be tighter than the jeans, but jeans could still be a no-no because the wear-er doesn't believe that it is prt of the culture.
I also find it kind of funny that jeans can be not part of a culture for women..but it's perfectly okay for men...as if men follow a totally difrent culture. ?
Everyone should adapt to their environments, westernization and modernization but within limits.
We're human, we adapt to our surroundings, we want to be socially acceptable, the nail that sticks out gets hammered, only a few have strong enough will power to maintain their culture and not to completely assimilate.
Honestly to everyone saying how pure and innocent life in Pakistan is and comparing people living in pakistan and in other countries you gotta go to Youtube and search for videos made in pakistan of pakistani people living there.
It'll put shame to even the most outgoing desi living abroad.
just a question wat are ur roots? no one in pakistan is actually a muslim the whole pakistani culture is tottaly inspired by indians im not saying there is anything wrong with it but on the whole pakistani culture is alot of people different background cuming together.n one thing i dont understand if u have aproblem with them go n tell them try making them understand.y are u discussing them like this, this wuld be gossip.batteen bannaay kyon beth jatay hain log. y dont do sumthing about it.plz stop bringing each other down.help each other
leave us alone.
I think you all are taking this in a wrong direction. None of my posts are directed towards anyone. I apologize if any of you felt that i was passing judgments or anything.
I know a lot of wrong happens here in Pakistan, i live here i know it. This has been discussed a number of times here on this very forum and many others that Pakistanis in Pakistan have westernized.
I don't have a problem with anybody personally neither am i here to compare and give pros n cons of Pakistanis in Pakistan and Pakistanis outside Pakistan. Don't take me wrong again,my only point is that we all know a lot of reasons why this thing is happening, in Pakistan, outside Pakistan, due to parents, due to media etc. But the main point is that no matter what the reason is the outcome isn't good, exposing our skin to a large extent and just sticking so much is definitely not our religion and neither our culture. Can we do something about it? We all have to raise our kids in this very environment. A large part depends on parents but then again parents cant be constantly checking kids. Even when the upbringing of kids is perfect they get involved some where like that. Shouldn't something be done about it?
PLEASE do not take this personally and do not start a war on Pakistanis here and there. Just think about my point once. I am nobody to question any one's beliefs but we can have a healthy discussion to rectify things without being harsh to each other. right? :)
Honestly to everyone saying how pure and innocent life in Pakistan is and comparing people living in pakistan and in other countries you gotta go to Youtube and search for videos made in pakistan of pakistani people living there.
It'll put shame to even the most outgoing desi living abroad.
Nobody in this thread has said that "how pure and innocent life in Pakistan is and comparing people" I have already said it so many times,that we are not comapring people, no one is saying any one is pure. We all know that neither many people here nor there are pure. The point is of getting a remedy for this!
Sahi kaha! :k:
I think they are influenced by Pakistani dramas, movies and videos etc :halo:
Re: Question for Pakistanis living abroad
No offense intended here, truly....but I always thought it kind of silly to say that a Muslim cannot go where alcohol is served. That means, really, that Muslims cannot live in a western country because its served here kwim? It means you cannot visit a house that has a liquor cabinet or scotch bottle within its walls. Or a restaurant. It means also that you should not shop in grocery stores or delis which sell beer or alcohol (and the vast majority do). Or use gas stations that sell beer. As mentioned above, you cannot fly in a plane which serves it. Or ride the rush hour trains which have a "bar car". You cannot attend office parties or any western parties for that matter since in all my life, I've attended exactly only two alcohol-free parties.
I completely understand that it is forbidden to consume. Nothing wrong with that. And there is no where on the planet that one should be encouraged to consume when they are unwilling - well except for dorm houses in universities I guess. But really, its no big deal to anyone whether you consume or not. And it should be no big deal to any Muslim if someone else does consume.
As far as what I've read and understood from the Koran, it is simply forbidden to consume it. I havent read anywhere that its forbidden to be in the same vicinity as someone who does.
No offense intended here, truly....but I always thought it kind of silly to say that a Muslim cannot go where alcohol is served. That means, really, that Muslims cannot live in a western country because its served here kwim? It means you cannot visit a house that has a liquor cabinet or scotch bottle within its walls. Or a restaurant. It means also that you should not shop in grocery stores or delis which sell beer or alcohol (and the vast majority do). Or use gas stations that sell beer. As mentioned above, you cannot fly in a plane which serves it. Or ride the rush hour trains which have a "bar car". You cannot attend office parties or any western parties for that matter since in all my life, I've attended exactly only two alcohol-free parties.
I completely understand that it is forbidden to consume. Nothing wrong with that. And there is no where on the planet that one should be encouraged to consume when they are unwilling - well except for dorm houses in universities I guess. **But really, its no big deal to anyone whether you consume or not. And it should be no big deal to any Muslim if someone else does consume.
As far as what I've read and understood from the Koran, it is simply forbidden to consume it.** I havent read anywhere that its forbidden to be in the same vicinity as someone who does.
Actually, its IS a big deal 2 ur family, relatives and mazab abiding friends(that is if 1 has nay of these type of friends). ur family will kill you(probably make u feel guilty like anything and not trust u and put a complete halt 2 ur social life) and relatives im guessing will gossip aobut u and ruin ur character and htis gossip will spread aorund ur whole baradari in the whole world.
and i guess it shouldnt b a big deal to any muslim if someone else does consume, but our ppl make a lot of things 'their business'..and we all know its true no matter where us muslims(pkstni muslims bcs i can only talk about pakstni muslkims bcs my exprience is really not much with muslims of other nationalities) r.
no offense but u have contradicting statements in ur post. 1st u say it should not b a bgi deal if muslims consume alcohol and no one cares but then u say that is forbidden in the quran..so if an act is forbidden in the holy quran then it sort of is a big deal..isnt it? nd ppl will care if an act that is forbidden in the holy quran is happnening especially by muslims..right? hey some ppl do a lot of crazy stuff 4 mazaab u know..some ppl go ballistic.
Re: Question for Pakistanis living abroad
Soni, you said
"no offense but u have contradicting statements in ur post. 1st u say it should not b a bgi deal if muslims consume alcohol and no one cares but then u say that is forbidden in the quran..so if an act is forbidden in the holy quran then it sort of is a big deal..isnt it? "
Not really conflicting statements here. What I was trying to say is that yes it IS a big deal and its wrong for a proper Muslim to consume alcohol. What should NOT be a big deal is for a proper Muslim to be in the same room with a person who IS consuming. This is the impression I get when I read the Koran.
Re: Question for Pakistanis living abroad
i know wa u guys mean. me and ma mates dont even wear short tops cos we feel to embarssed, we always have a long jacket or a long top covering us. but other girls, not just ones from back home, are too westernised and are completly forgetting their roots and their religion.
espcially girls who wear hijabs. when the real that should be covered, i.e. the chest, is not but the head is and their wearing a t-shirt or cropped trousers, all u can think is that these so called "islamic women" have ruined the image of hijab.
Soni, you said "no offense but u have contradicting statements in ur post. 1st u say it should not b a bgi deal if muslims consume alcohol and no one cares but then u say that is forbidden in the quran..so if an act is forbidden in the holy quran then it sort of is a big deal..isnt it? "
Not really conflicting statements here. What I was trying to say is that yes it IS a big deal and its wrong for a proper Muslim to consume alcohol. What should NOT be a big deal is for a proper Muslim to be in the same room with a person who IS consuming. This is the impression I get when I read the Koran.
yes i c what u r saying. but i think its not that theyre intentionally making a big deal out of ut..i think its just that like 4 my self example..i know i would feel pretty uncomfortble 2 go 2/ be in a place where the atmosphere is 1 where ppl r getting drunk..so i just would choose not 2 b there. so thats whati think it is. non-drinking muslims just dont want 2 even b in that mahol.
but heh..if u dont have any problems being surrounded by drunkards then good 4 u!
Hey!
**Before i start the topic id like to say that this topic isn't directed towards some one specifically and i would prefer that this be kept as a healthy discussion and no personal attacking and harsh wordings please. **
Recently, lets say in the last 4-5 years i have seen so many Pakistanis living abroad, born there, migrated there, or on study purposes have truly changed them selves completely. It is good to change with the environment but now girls hardly wear anything. Seriously, lots of my own class fellows & batch mates study there and wear such deep-neck shirts, very small length tops, mini skirts, strapless blouses etc. you all know what i mean. In every other picture, Pakistani boys and girls are seen posing for a photograph sticking to opposite gender people of other countries. I know they are just friends but aren't we Muslims? and also Pakistanis? This is really not our culture. I am not a narrow minded person and i also have friends but i think there should be a limit. Going to dance clubs and exposing so much of skin and hugging, kissing, drinking, fooling around etc people of other genders just in the name of 'friendship' that isn't wise.
I know many of you will say we don't do it and people we know don't do it. But the fact is that no matter how much anyone denies it, this thing is prevailing so much and is progressing so much day after day. Why have Pakistanis abroad totally forgotten their roots all of a sudden? I know here in Pakistan people are like this too but right now i am just focusing on Pakistanis abroad, there have been lots of discussions already on Pakistanis living in Pakistan being westernized. People in Pakistan have westernized but there is still a large majority that is still sticking to their roots.
Everyone should adapt to their environments, westernization and modernization but within limits. Wear jeans and skirts etc everything but at least we should be fully covered and some distance should be maintained with the other gender. Hanna? This isn't our culture or our religion, neither am i conservative person but to adopt so much to some one else's culture that you totally forget your own roots isn't right at all. What do you think?
I think dooms day near, this is one of the qayamat ki nishani.
Hey!
Before i start the topic id like to say that this topic isn't directed towards some one specifically and i would prefer that this be kept as a healthy discussion and no personal attacking and harsh wordings please. ***
Recently, lets say in the last 4-5 years i have seen so many Pakistanis living abroad, born there, migrated there, or on study purposes have truly changed them selves completely. It is good to change with the environment but now girls hardly wear anything. Seriously, lots of my own class fellows & batch mates study there and wear such deep-neck shirts, very small length tops, mini skirts, strapless blouses etc. you all know what i mean. In every other picture, Pakistani boys and girls are seen posing for a photograph sticking to opposite gender people of other countries. I know they are just friends but aren't we Muslims? and also Pakistanis? This is really not our culture. I am not a narrow minded person and i also have friends but i think there should be a limit. Going to dance clubs and exposing so much of skin and hugging, kissing, drinking, fooling around etc people of other genders just in the name of 'friendship' that isn't wise.
I know many of you will say we don't do it and people we know don't do it. But the fact is that no matter how much anyone denies it, this thing is prevailing so much and is progressing so much day after day. Why have Pakistanis abroad totally forgotten their roots all of a sudden? I know here in Pakistan people are like this too but right now i am just focusing on Pakistanis abroad, there have been lots of discussions already on Pakistanis living in Pakistan being westernized. People in Pakistan have westernized but there is still a large majority that is still sticking to their roots.
Everyone should adapt to their environments, westernization and modernization but within limits. Wear jeans and skirts etc everything but at least we should be fully covered and some distance should be maintained with the other gender. Hanna? This isn't our culture or our religion, neither am i conservative person but to adopt so much to some one else's culture that you totally forget your own roots isn't right at all. What do you think?
Why do you feel that it is an imperative necessity to make everyone wear what you are wearing. I am curious.
Why do you feel that it is an imperative necessity to make everyone wear what you are wearing. I am curious.
Alig_reinvented, it has nothing to do with what i am wearing. One very important factor of our religion and our culture is to cover ourselves. Wear what ever but don't expose your skin to an extent that you can no longer be even identified as a Muslim. Hijab or no hijab has always been debatable, but there is no debate on the fact that we as Muslims should cover our skins & body. Strapless blouses, mini skirts, really small tops, etc is really not encourage-able at all!
DAffy duck, just make sure 2 cover ur kidz in garbage bags when they become teens nd u’ll b ok…no worries.. 
..lolz
Alig_reinvented, it has nothing to do with what i am wearing. One very important factor of our religion and our culture is to cover ourselves. Wear what ever but don't expose your skin to an extent that you can no longer be even identified as a Muslim. Hijab or no hijab has always been debatable, but there is no debate on the fact that we as Muslims should cover our skins & body. Strapless blouses, mini skirts, really small tops, etc is really not encourage-able at all!
Why are you obsessed with something that should be none of your business?
Do you wear bras? Do you pay your bills? Are your periods occuring during regular intervals? If not then why? You know what..I'm being too intrusive and I should really mind my own business, kind of like you should.
Why are you obsessed with something that should be none of your business?
Do you wear bras? Do you pay your bills? Are your periods occuring during regular intervals? If not then why? You know what..I'm being too intrusive and I should really mind my own business, kind of like you should.
Wow! You are such a rude person. You went way beyond all lines. I did not misbehave with you even once neither did i say anything personal to you. It would be nice if you could control your language too. If you have a problem with my topic don't come and answer here. You also mind your business!
I am so unable to understand that it is so convenient for everyone to question Pakistanis here all the time on every other thread. But on one thought provoking topic for people who follow this trend, people like you start misbehaving instead.
Moderators please close this thread, Some people do not have the capacity to hold or absorb a healthy discussion and i refuse to talk.Insha Allah God will put sense. Thank You!