So it seems Indian Muslims dont really agre with the Hindus on Kashmir. What they do seem to be interested in is trying to save themselvs. Since suporting Kashmiri asspirations and condemning their govt is seen as a violation of Indian law, despite the fact that other minorities can get away with it, Indian muslims have to be more loyal then the king. It seems they have done this rather succesfully, since most of the Hindus on this sie are convinced that Indian Muslims agree with Hindu majority sentiment completely...
If any Indian going to protest against Kashmir and show that Kashmir as not part of India in India .. they wil be arrested and tried for anti national activities..:) . What is so big deal about that.
are you saying they should live as fight column instead practising five pillars of islam? wher do you live now you want to betray the country you live ?
In America, which is democracy, people can protest against anything they want, and its allowed as long as they dont espouse violence.
By your own admition, you have said that Indians cant protest, even peacfully anything that the state deems as anti-state.
I think you need to go back and read up on democracy and human right!
I already said this a million times, hey shouldnt start a violent protest. A peacful protest, civil disobedience along the lines of Gandhi is enough to get the point across. By protesting agaisnt the policies of your govt, your only practicing the very rights that a democracy gives you.
Thats one of the most damning things about India, they claim to be free and democratic and yet your right to free speech is curbed if the state finds it anti-state even if it peaceful. I mean how are you any different from the Chinese?
AND EVERYONE OF YOU THINKS THIS IS OK!
Read the first article, you seemed to skip that one apparently because its not as complimentary to your views on India… Its the one about bias towards Muslims..
Honestly, do any of you Indians feel there is anything wrong with a country where people arent allowed to protest against the state intrests? Or even against the interests of the majority even if it peaceful?
The state is made by the people, the laws made by the people and for the people , the people have the right to change the laws as well. Its not a dictotorial regime where one individual decides the fate of the nation. The indian democracy has certainl laws. U can protest.. but if turned violent then it have to be dealt with. Because as somebody said.. ur fundamental right stops where my nose begins or something like that. no individual or group have the rights to put the state into ransome. If any group wants to protest, they can protest peacefully. But hardly any protest in India is peacefull. Look bhai sab.. those who will protest the so called atrocities by indian forces in kashmir is easily anti indian. what will u protest for.. to pull out the troops from kashmir.. and leave the place to Pk army. Nation is like a family. Somebody attacks the family then u have to defend it.. somebody tries disrupt the peace then togther the family members have to deal with it. Each member has certain responsibilities they should also act in a way that other members of the family are not hurt by his words or action. If somemember goes atray..then the elder of the family have to put the foot down and get him to obey to the rules. This is exactly what is happening in Kashmir.
Haa haa.. go to the other forums in the world affairs.. some of ur own collegues bash up america for lack of human rights. Dont u remember that it was the place the human rights was the least respected. (read slavary).Of late does the US administration care wheather anone protest. Besides unlike the subcontinent the the americal people are less emotional about religious sentiment . But even after 9/11 some america sikhs were manhandled thinking that they were arabs. India is relatively a new nation which is democratic and also very diverse. The american example does not hold in India.. the complexity of the society is much larger in India than in America. Does america allow its citizen to practice anti american propaganda in its territories. Look bhai sab.. terrorism is the biggest threst to democracy. A democracy is more vulnerable to terrorist attack than dictetorial regime. Americans know that that is why they attack other countries with impunity in preventing terrorist attack on its soil.Even Bin laden have a reason of attacking america.. some of us call him terrorist and some others jihadis. Whatever it is he has least respect for human life. This is the same case with kashmiri militants as well.:)
Mature Democratic institutions dont guarantee that those in the Democracy are awarded the rights and benefits of those a institutions. Your own people have said that anyone who protests against the state is anti national and should be prosecuted. Indian Muslims themselves have complained of Bias.. So who are you trying to fool here other then yourself?
Dude, if Indians cant protest in peace, then there is really somthing flawed about Indians and Indian society. For a country that prides itself on the being a country which became independant through the peacful protests theory of Gandhi, you sure dont reflect it. I suspect that often its not the protesters who turn violent, after all if it were within their intrest to cause violence, then they would have started throwing molatov cocktails and such, but the very a fact that they arent and simply protestig shows the non violent intent. I think its the people who dont agree with them who start the violence or instigate it, namely the police, the state, and supporters of opposing vies.
A person who is against Indian Attrocities whatever those may be is only expressing their right to disagree with the policies of their govt. The govt can choose to listen or not listen but they should take note. Whether you agree with somone who is Indian citizen and wants Indian Army to leave Kashmir is completely irrelevant. The pont is whether the people have a right to express this oppinion. Since Muslims in particualr are not allowed to express this oppinion in regards to Kashmir, their is obviously something wrong with your country wich you are not admiting. Even America which has been accused of Human Rights abuses still allows her people to express their oppinion through peacful protest. Thousands marched across America in protest of the Iraq War. There were even protests against the Afghan invasion, even when the rubble from the WTC was still smoldering. Indian Society is thus obviously not on the same level as that of other Democracies.
I mean even in Pakistan, which isnt a Democracy, certain anti state sentement and protest as long as they are peacful, are tolerated.
Screw you. The point of this is to get you to admit that the reason Indian Muslims havent protested the policies of their govt, is because despite you hyped up and much vaunted Democracy, they, more then anyone else are not allowed to have their voice heard on this… Isnt this why Pakistan was created, so that Muslims atleast had the ability to not have to be beholden to the policies of the Majority? Prove me wrong. When they cant even be in possesion of map that shows Kashmir as seperate, in the face of such bias. then how can you call them equal citizens? And how can you even certify yourselves as a democracy?
you lost your bengal despite same religen our bengal is with us so we dont need
any preaching from you. indian muslims dont ask you for help so keep out.
Has nothing to do with Bengal... Bengal turned in an armed violent uprising. Again, I never said I support violent protests. I also dont support the Armies actions there and had been around then, I would have been the most vocal anti state protester around. Alhtough Kashmir and Bengal are two different political entities, India had no right to unleash such attrocites. India had a right to fight against the Miltiants, but no right to commit attrocities. Today in Pakistan we have had poetesters who burned effigies of Musharaf himself... The Papers have ridculed him and his govt constantly.
In India you guys arent even willing to tolerate peacful protests... Indian Muslims may have felt strongly against the attrocites of your govt, but they either failed to protest, or they werent allowed to? WHICH IS IT? According to the research, there is a strong bias against Indian Muslims and had they protested they would have all been strung up... This was the purpose of Pakistan then wasnt it, so that we as a minority could express our own political oppinions freely..
It takes a dog to know a dog.. Easy for you people to point finger. Im trying to instigate a little introspection on your part. We in Pakistan may have our problems, but our people express their political oppinions openly. This was the ultimate purpose of Pakistan I suppose. In India, Hindu majority has literaly stiffled the Muslims minority to the point where they no longer have any rights, except those that are acceptable by the state and the majority. Prove me wrong. Reads the articles. To keep this fair and balanced, I even added a non biased article. But if all your going to do is turn an intelectual debate into mud fight, the it should be you who should leave and return to the rioting, Muslims, Christian killing fantic you are. God, even the lower caste arent safe in your country..
BTW, we in Pakistan arent a democratic or secualr country, so we dont claim to be the paragon of Democracy. You on the other hand claim to be the greatest democracy on eart… The fact that you would compare yourselve to us only exposes you for the sham that you are..