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Guys ask yourselves one question... What would Gandhi say if he were haere and found out that Indian Muslims are not allowed to protest state policy in secular democratic India. Even Nehru was above this!
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London 3 April 2005 “Indian Muslims love their country and are as patriot as any of their compatriots and therefore need no sermon from anyone and the least the Pakistanis” Chairman of Council of Indian Muslims – UK (CIM) said in a statement today.
Reacting to an advice to Indian Muslims by the former Pakistani Prime Minister Choudhry Shujaat Husain on a goodwill visit to India to regard themselves as Indians and that they should love India as their country, Munaf Zeena said “it all proves how uninformed and in the dark the Pakistanis are about India and its citizens.”
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GOD DAMN BRO.. DO YOU READ! Let me ask you this..
Im asking why Indian Muslims who protest against Indian Policy are considered unpatriotic, when people in other Democracies who protest their country policies are still considered patriotic citizens?
Why does the Indian govt have such a Bias towards Indian Muslims?
If your saying that Indian Muslims were fine with the Attrocities commited against the Kashmir people, (these attrocites are confirmed by Human Rights groups) then that simply shows that Indian Muslims have failed politically because they cannot defend their own rights or those of their fellow Muslims in India. This doesnt bode well for the world biggest democracy if people belong to the biggest minority, and perhaps fastest growing minority, are either not allowed to prtest, or dont have the political will and organization to do so... Which is it?
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NO.. Queer is a bad, India is just despicable..
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Are you afraid to answer the question!!! I thought with your superior education, not being raised in a madarasah and all, You would have the courage to defend your country in an intelligent manner… 
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Funny how im the only Pakistani here and this thread is now 7 pages long 
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they have more rights than pakistani muslims and can bring down a govermant
if they dont lile it how many of you can say that.they can vote you cant
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Indian Muslims can bring down a govt through votes.. But the problem is that none of these govts have ever done anyting but carry on the same policy on Kashmir as the last. In light of this, the Indian Muslims should have realized that as far as Kashmir is conderned only public protest, and govt lobbying would change things. They have failed on both accounts. This is either because they are not allowed to have any opposing views on Kashmir by the govt and the Mojority Hndus, or becaue they are not organized enough to defend their intrests. Or they simply dont care about their fellow Muslims and this again is their great failure. Indian Muslims thus have failed to defend their fellow Kashmri Muslims.
I feel its the fault of the Indian govt which does not allow them to have opposing views to their govt.
In Pakistan, Muslims are allowed to express their problem with govt thru potests. And populist govt have come up. such as the MMA govt which had no backing of the govt, but were put in place because of people distaste for govt poilices. This was the ultimate aim of pakistan, to allow the Muslim political right to not be deluded in a sea of Hindus.
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Answer the two question PLEASE!
Very simple request!
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India believes in peace. But Pakistan has taken a stand that India should hand over Kashmir to them. It is impossible! It cannot be done. India believes in a state of multi ethnic, multi cultural, multi religious country that we have laid in our constitution and also the plural society that we have been making. For example let me tell you there is state in India like Kerala with 24 per cent Muslims, West Bengal with 26-27 percent Muslims and we have Uttar Pradesh where it will go to 30 per cent… and Jammu and Kashmir 85 per cent. These numbers clearly show in Indian nation there are people belonging to all the religions and India is having the second largest Muslim population. And in India have their right to practice religion as enshrined in constitution.
http://jaihoon.com/studio/eahmedinterview.htm
Ahmed M.P,
the General Secretary
of Indian Union Muslim
League, explains India’s
stance on fighting the menace
of terrorism
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look dude, kshmir is non-issue for Indian muslims. Only Pakistani muslims care about it. Where else u find protest in name of Kashmir. in soudi arabia.. in malaysia or in indonasia. U r making an issue which is of interest to Pakistan not to Indian muslims. There is no religious police here.. there is a altogether different civil act governing muslims and under the muslim supervision.
When there were policies which was directed against muslims came like the jabono case and Babri masjid opening, muslims protested.. but in kashmir majority of them feel that Indians are doing the right thing.
Which democracy allows all this.
What do u want India to be then. to be dictotorial.. we would like to actually. Then there would be some order and we can settle Kashmir once and for all.
I have a simple question to ask u.. if u r an indian muslims living in the interior of India..what is the reason will u give in trying to protest against the so called Indian occupation of Kashmir. A nation created on the demand or for the reason that majority of people are muslims and hence wanting a seperate country or to cede to pakistan. Then what is he doing in India. Will he not be a hypocrat. living in a secular state but wanting a part of a state to cede away and allowing it to become an authoritarian or fundamental state. Is that what he wants.
U can only say that occupy but dont suppress the people. Which is what whole of India also wants..its not just muslims but hindus are also tired of the whole stuff.. but any idea of ceding or seperation is not an option at all, Indian forces will be there.. and no power can throw it out.. Indian muslims realize that, but when Pakistani muslims learn that then there would be peace.
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I dont care about Pakistan, this isnt about Pakistan, reread the question and answer then… This guy still fails to condemn the Indian Huiman Rights violations.. Why not email him and ask how he can excuse the rape and murder of Kashmiri Muslims? Most likely he will blame Pakistan, but then did Pakistan force the raped Kashmiri woman to bend over while the Indian soldier shuved his wancker up her dress! If the Indian Muslims ARE SO NUMEROUS, HOW THEN DID THE INDIAN ARMY GET AWAY WITH ALL THE EXCESSES THAT THEY COMMITED? This Genreal secretary saab is pathetic!
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I have provided you with all the refrences in which Human rights groups have cited Indian “Security” Forces having violated Human rights in Kashmir.
Now, Indans, that includes those who are Indian Muslims, regard Kashmir as being Indian and the Kashmiris being Indian Muslims. These Indian Muslim Kashmiris, as India assumes they are, have been the victims of Human rights violations at the hands of INDIAN SOLDIERS! This is all well documented and I again, offered you the links.
Forget that Indians in general seem to ignore these Human rights violations, and instead point finger across the borders (escape for the moraly weak?), but Indian Muslims are even more guilty because they allowed such violations, which they know about, to continue. These are PEOPLE OF THEIR COMMUNITY!!!
They are allowing people of their own communiry to be abused and violated BY THEIR OWN GOVT! This isnt just a violation of KASHMIRI RIGHTS, BUT THOSE OF THE MUSLIM INDIAN COMMUNITY IN GENERAL. If Muslims in any other parts of India were being kiled and abused for so long, wouldnt the Indians of Muslims take not?
When you say this is a non Isuue then you are saying that despite the known FACT that Indians violated the Rights of Kashmiri Muslims, Indian Muslims still see it as a non Issue… When will it be an Issue when its their own Mothers who are getting raped!
From the research it appears that while Indian Muslims can protest things like Babri Masjid, which itself is not a Human rights violation but simply historical land dispute, since its consiered to be a internal problem, they are not allowed to say a word on India’s policies on Kashmir because this would label them as unpatriotic, why is this?
The articles I posted show an obvious bias against Muslims, specially when it comes to Kashmir. So correct me if im wrong but the reason Indian Muslim DONT PROTEST KASHMIR AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS IS BECAUSE THEY WILL BE ARRESTED AND CHARGED FOR TREASON, EVEN IF THEIR PROTEST IS PEACEFUL?
And im not saying that India should be a dictatorship or that they should cede Kashmir, but the fact that you army is commitint Human Rights violation and has done so for the past god knows how long, there is very little concern for this in India. Ofcourse people want this to end, but no one wants to say anything.. They simply give word of Mouth and thats it. No introspection, nothing, its just Kashmir is our, Kashmiris are ours, everyone be damned! This from the Worlds biggest Democracy is simply a shame. And Indian Muslims are even more palpable, since these people are memebrs of their community. Their silence speaks volumes for the Underlying problems that infect India all the way from Partition. They seem to not protest Indian Army excesses, not the occupation (although they cant protest this either) but the Human rights violations because they would be labeled unpatriotis. Rivkz up there said it himself, they are to patriotic to protest, implying that if they did protest they wouldnt be.
This isnt about Indian Muslims wanting to have Kashmir Independant f India, its about their inability or lack of abilty to protest and denounce Indian Armies Human rights violations. In fact, you would be hard pressed to see organized Indian Muslims protesting any Indian policy.
BTW, ceding KASHMIR doesnt mean they will be an authoratarian fundamentalist state.. Another of your misconseptions about Pakistan and Muslims in general. Also, they would mostly perfer to be Independant.
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One really BIG difference is this. How many Muslims even get to vote and elect their own representatives? Indian Muslims are able to throw out the leaders they do not want and elect another more able leader. How many Muslims get to do that? Let's see all over the world. Lets leave the minority who live in Western countries enjoying Democracy given by the white man. Morroco towards the very West of Africa, no Democracy, Libya? No Democarcy. Sudan? Nyet. Egypt. Maybe once they can get rid of Hosni Mubarak. Turkey still has a major presence of the military in power. Jordan has a Monarchy. Syria too. Suadi Arabia is not worth talking about. Iraq is a mess. Iran is trying democarcy. Uzbekistan we just saw what happened there a few days back. Turkrmrinistan and other small countries are not counted. Afghanistan is a mess again. Pakistan makes a mockery of democracy. Malayasia too has no right to protest. Indonesia is still to recover from its bombings.
Where in the whole world do Muslims have a right to vote, peacefully, without enacting a farce. India my boy, India. Have you read how recently the father if Saif Ali Khan, the former India test captian Nawab Tiger Pataudi got caught in a poaching case? He'll be let off, mainy because he's a Muslim. Why Muslims have more rights in India than most other Islamic nations. Four wives and more.
Kashmir is rant that only a Pakistani keeps parroting. Kashmir has an elected Muslim Cheif Minister. Pakistan can keep sending its out of work terrorists to bomb, maim, kill and threaten the poor, peace loving Kashmiris. Pakistan that has difficulty staging even a Marathon on its own soil, has no right talking about Muslims in India.
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Prove me otherwise.:).
What happened to Pakistan.. didnt it become authoritarian.. where is democracy there.. where is secularism. Whatever Jinnah dreamt.. went with him to the grave. Btw. i dont have any bad impression about muslims. They are good people. But some of them gets little emotional.. when they talk about their faith. But I think the whole of subcontinent have a similar attitude.
U didnt reply to my question. what will u protest for. If militants give up their arms..and pakistan stop training them, then Indian muslims and hindus will protest if any atrocities were commited by the Indian army. Till then they will not take sides in the conflict. Thats all.
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explosive topic in circles...no more constructive use so lets let it rest before it becomes a warzone.