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Indian Muslims are most guilty for their complascency during the massacre of the Kashmiris at the hands of the Indian army. All I see is Indians trying to cover this up by blaming it on us. Indian Muslims should be ashamed.. Where are they on this forum?
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can indian muslims eat guy(cow) maata?
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Yes. Beef is freely available and constitutional ‘directive principles’ to ban cow slaughter have not been implemented.
Syed Shahabuddin is a leading muslim leader. He also heads the Babri Masjid action committee. This is his take on Indian Muslims http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13874541
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Deoband: In a historic decision, Darul Uloom, Deoband declared that all those persons belonging to madrasas and religious institutions of Pakistan or any other part of the world indulging in promotion of terrorism against India are outside the scope of Darul Uloom Deoband’s ideals.
The Darul Uloom clearly said on 19 June that elements promoting or abetting violence and terrorism against Islamic teachings cannot be Deobandis and this institution has nothing to do with such people or institutions. Darul Uloom Deoband took this hard decision in view of the fact that many institutions or persons belonging to madrasas of Kashmir and Pakistan are indulging in aggressive activities against India in the name of ‘Deobandism’. This was announced by Maulana Marghoobur Rahman, rector of Darul Uloom Deoband.
http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/15072002/1507200259.htm
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Dude.. The Deobandi are a bunch of hypocrits if this is their stance. They are blind followers of the Majorties dictates. The question still remains.. Why when they saw what the INDIAN army was doing in Kashmir did these people not condemn their own army but rather condemn the Pakistanis?
These people, Deobandi, are clearly guilty of allowing the attrocities comited against Kashmiri Muslims by not condemning them outright... They should be ashamed of themselves.
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So why were Indian Muslims not able to condemn their own Army for the crimes against Kashmiris? Why did they do what every Indian does, try to cover up their crimes by pointing finger across the border? Did Pakistan force Indian soldiers to kill innocent people? Did Pakistan force the Indian army to rape Kashmiri women? How do Indian Muslims justify this?
I guess without any Indian Muslims around here to defend themselves, we have to rely on the biased oppinon of the Hindus...
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trying real hard to fan that communal fire and failing eh 
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I dont need to… You do much better job on your own. Still why are you so afraid of answering the question? You only make yourself seem that much more insecure by diverting attention from the question… And this despite your NON Madrasah education!
Still question is still open to be answered. If you cant answer then admit your Countrymen are failures and hypocrits..
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the answer is simple..
with respect to kashmir the indian muslims just like the indian hindus does not believe that there is LARGE scale atrocities commited by the army. Indian army does not differentiate between hindus and muslims. Any person with the appropriate qualification can join. There are many muslims in indian army.
Pakistan is the one making lot of hue and cry over these issue. Matter of sour grapes.:D
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I opened this thread at least a couple of years back. Have a look and you would know the reason - http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=94111
It’s not a problem with Indian Muslims, on the contrary its a problem with a big section of Pakistani Muslims (read uneducated and closed-minded ones) who are still learning their ways in civilized world.
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I didnt want to resort to this but here you go… Read um and weap…
And if your an Indian Muslims, bury your head in the sand until you choke on your own SHAME!
http://www.dalitstan.org/journal/rights/102/081092.html
Mr. President, in its report, the Subcommittee on Foreign Operations has issued strong language deploring the Indian Government’s massive human rights violations in Kashmir. This is an important step forward in the fight to protect human rights in Kashmir. I stand today to commend my colleagues for making this important statement.
The statement calls on India to cease its abuse of human rights and dignity in Kashmir. This is an important message of our resolve that these state-sponsored abuses end–a message which must be heard loud and clear in New Delhi.
The committee report states concern for `The persistent reports of widespread human rights abuses’ in Kashmir. Indeed, credible reports of human rights atrocities in Kashmir are increasing and the evidence of this abuse by Indian forces is undeniable.
During the past 2 years, many of the most respected human rights organizations in the world–including Amnesty International, Asia Watch, and Freedom House–have all issued incredible reports detailing the abuse of Kashmiri civilians by Indian military forces. Indigenous Indian human rights groups have issued reports which have reached the same conclusions.
Mr. President, the details of their reports are both gruesome and saddening. For example, Amnesty International reported that gang-rapes by Indian soldiers of Kashmiri women are widespread. These rapes are perpetrated against both young girls and older women–often in front of their children. They are acts of pure hatred and violence which cannot be justified by the Indian Government as having a military purpose. There is no military purpose for rape.
Amnesty and others have documented how Indian forces have committed summary executions of Kashmiri civilians with total impunity. They shoot into unarmed crowds of demonstrators and fire on funeral processions. They use scorched Earth tactics to terrorize entire villages into submission–Indian soliders actually lock Kashmiri civilians in their homes, and then set the buildings on fire, cremating the inhabitants alive.
The atrocities are intolerable, and the committee rightly calls on India to `Investigate reports of human rights violations and to prosecute individuals responsible. . .’ This statement is particularly appropriate in light of the fact that in the 3 years that India has waged its campaign of genocide–despite the widespread evidence described by the committee of state-sponsored atrocities in Kashmir–Indian soldiers are not brought to the bar for justice.
The reason for this is that Indian soldiers are exempted from prosecution by special laws designed to facilitate and encourage their abuses. Laws such as the Jammu and Kashmir Armed Forces Special Powers Act', and the ironically titled Jammu and Kashmir Public Safety Act’ give Indian soldiers: shoot-to-kill powers; the right to detain civilians without warrant or charge; the right to extract confessions through brutal torture. And the laws guarantee Indian soldiers complete immunity from prosecution for these crimes. The committee rightly calls for an end to this practice, and for India to begin investigating and punishing the perpetrators of these atrocities. The call for an independent investigation is especially significant, and I know many in this body hope it is adopted by the Indian authorities.
The committee also justly states that `The government of India should ensure that the rights of detainees are fully protected … ’ This is indeed a top priority, because India’s record of protecting prisoner rights has been atrociously inadequate.
I draw your attention, Mr. President, to the Amnesty International report of March 1992. In that report, Amnesty International states:
Torture is routine (in Kashmir). Every day in police cells and military barracks throughout the land, pain and indignity are deliberately inflicted by paid agents of the state. On men, women and even children. They are beaten senseless, given electric shocks or have their limbs crushed by heavy rollers. Sexual torture, including rape, is common.
Mr. President, in Kashmir the rights of detainees are not protected. Each day, India violates the dignity and human rights of Kashmiri civilians through brutal acts of torture and abuse. India has institutionalized the use of torture in its campaign to suppress the people of Kashmir.
The committee’s report is a strong call for an end to this abuse. And to ensure that this abuse ceases, and that the victims of India’s atrocities get proper care and treatment, the committee rightly calls on India to grant `the International Red Cross … prompt access to all detainees.’
Unfortunately, Mr. President, India has consistently blocked access of human rights and humanitarian organizations such as the International Committee of the Red Cross to Kashmir. India has consistently denied humanitarian aid and medical attention to the victims of its atrocities. Incidents have been documented in which Indian soldiers have attacked ambulances carrying victims of government abuses in which Indian patrols have burst into hospitals and clinics, molesting and killing patients, doctors and medical staff Indian soldiers have also harassed doctors and their families for providing medical care to the victims of their abuse.
India has tried its best to hide these facts from the outside world. Perhaps that is why they deny access to the Red Cross, and human rights observers–they fear that by allowing the Red Cross and other groups access to Kashmir those groups will bring to light the extent of their abuses.
Mr. President, the committee report makes a strong statement that these abuses must end. It calls on India to take immediate steps to curtail the abuses; it calls on India to investigate, prosecute, and punish its officials and agents who encourage and commit these crimes; it calls on India to cease the rampant use of torture of political detainees; calls on India to cease its efforts to interfere with the provision of humanitarian aid to the victims of its atrocities.
In sum, it is a strong statement–a statement that sends New Delhi an indisputable message: that the U.S. Senate takes India’s abuses in Kashmir very seriously; that the U.S. Government will not stand by in silence while India massacres the Kashmiri people; that we expect immediate action to bring these abuses to an end. In view of this, I believe that it is appropriate for the Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs to hold hearings on these issues in the upcoming year.
Mr. President, I commend the committee for its important statement, and register my support for it.
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http://web.amnesty.org/report2004/ind-summary-eng
This article is recent but also highlihts the rape of women IN GUJRAT!!! Why do you Indians insist on raping Muslim women?
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MORE ON INDIAN HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS!
http://www.indiatogether.org/peace/kashmir/articles/indhr.htm
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This one highlights Pakistans role in “terrorism” but also claims that Indians have used rape as a tool…
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This one highlights Pakistans role in “terrorism” but also claims that Indians have used rape as a tool…
here is another
http://sim.law.uu.nl/SIM/Library/books.nsf/0/b1df5ef0bcbd7b6dc12566400036998f?OpenDocument
Another
Just for fun, one from a Sikh site;)
Heres another account
http://www.dalitstan.org/journal/rights/104/210596.html
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I have more.. So vinie are you FEKING BLIND!
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Your article is full of misconspetion and BS.
First you Indians think that by holding their govt accountable I am asking the Indian Muslims to become terrorists. This is your intelect or lack of intelct speaking. A typical propaganda fed to you guys by your so called democratic govt.
Indian Muslims may vote whoever they want out of power, and yet the excesses against the Kshmiris still continues. In a democracy, people can express their feeling by ways other then voting, because voting doesnt always express ground realities (Indians arent aware of this, that is why the equated Kashmiri voter turn out with accpetance of Indian rule). Democracy entails lobbying and protesting, hitting the streets like making your voice heard. Indian Muslims pass on the voting front but fail one the others. They convince themselves that the are making a difference by filling out voting ballots but all they are doing is extending the hand of the govt in its violations of Human rights. Im shockd that in the LAND OF GANDHI, THE AUTHOR OF PEACFUL CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, THIS CONCEPT SEEMS TO BE FOREIGN TO MOST INDIANS TODAY!
After all their voting, Modi and all the others responsible for the death and murder of their fellow Indian Muslims have gone scot free, and all the Muslim Indians can do is sit on their hands and hope someone ELSE will provide the victims with justice. I wouLd have allowed these people refugee status in Pakistan, unfortunately, this would have infuriated Hindus even further.
Indian Democracy is a sham, it ends at the borders of Kashmir. In Kashmir, democracy is a boot up you rear. If Indian muslims think they can get revenge by voting the govt out of power think again. They know as well as anyone else, that each and every govt will continue the same oppression as the last. So who are you trying to kid? Your democracy isnt what made the Indian Muslims into a bunch of Democracy loving, peace loving Hindustanis as you claim, its their fear of being labeled anti Indian, or their dire need to avoid conflict that has driven them into the shadows. No Indian Muslim will protest Kashmir for two reason, they are brainwashed just like every other Indian, and they are to afraid.
And the lie that in Pakistan we arent allowed to protest is an even BIGGER PILE OF BS. Pakistanis have come out on the street, they have protestED Musharaf, America and anyone and everyone else. We have a long way to go, but we know our problems and we want to fix them. Long way of from you people, who ony see your society as some utopia. Pakistanis have also expressed themselves through vote as per the elEction win of the MMA in the NWFP. Pakistanis express themselves openly, unlike the castrated Indian Muslims who perfer to bury their head then actually raise their voice. Even the Sikh have more balls then them!
So honestly, get over yourselves.
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pakpatriot even kashmiris want toaccpet loc as border
According to Khabrain (April 18, 2005) 54 percent of Kashmiris in Held Kashmir wanted the LoC to become permanent border while 74 percent Indians, too, wanted it. Only 3 percent Kashmiris in Held Kashmir wanted Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan while 43 percent of them thought of Musharraf as their favourite personality.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_17-6-2005_pg3_2
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keep bringing in tariq.. sorry patriot1. U never fail to amuse me. U give out blogs…
do u know india better than i do..
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u have insulted me in one of ur other thread. I kept quite. But there is a limit to such propaganda and abuses. U have a terrible attitude problem son. U dont like india. Admit it. If its muslim or non muslim u dont like them.Thats the truth and u cannot deny it. U dont want India to succeed and u dont like to see it succeed. so in a very cynical way u try to portray that India is the most evil on earth. If I say yes to whatever u say then will that satisfy ur ego. 
U have no idea about the democracy in India. All these dalit parties, and sikh parties and other religious parties exist and they do demonstration if something is going against them and for ur tasalli, they also turn violent. But that is democracy.What do u think indian democracy is…that its in the grip of brahminical order. U can try to prove me by putting out names of our previous prime ministers. But actual truth is far from that. Brahmins have lost the relevance much long ago. U say its a propaganda.. then india should be well organised for such a propaganda.. I mean come on:eek: , u see chaos all over the place. I would have happy if there was some system of order. People can say whatever they want and still get away. Look as i told u, we dont need the muslim itself to fight for their right. 80% of India didnt favour the US invasion. They despise American foreign policy. India has historicaly very good relationship with PLO.
This is the whole of India.. not only does the muslims but Hindus included who formulate Indian policy. The muslims dont require to come to the street to do that because we know how to check our fundamentalist. Look at LK advani himself. There may be Gujarat and 1984 riots and babri demolition . But still it is the hindus who raised voice against those atrocities and brought it to the light of the day. As u r tending to believe if the govt of india were a nazist regime. then the whole of indian minority, dalits should have been wiped out in the first ten years of its existance.Do u have any idea about bahujan samaj party, its recognized as a national party. Its predominantly a dalit party. Shiromani akali dal is a sikh party. Indian union muslim league is a Muslim party. These parties them selves are not a force in any of the states… but they enter into alliance with big national parties like the BJP or Congress or the Communist to forwerd their cause.
There are some places discrimination still , but the frequency of such incidences have come down drasticaly. And as the economic progress reaches the fringe people of the society, such discrimination could be reduced.
Yes Indian troops crack down on seperatism, be it Punjab, Kashmir, North East or the tamils, Who ever it is they will be put down. No country likes itself to be broken up. U say about Kashmir.. and muslims the same kind of atrocities were alleged against the Indian forces in SriLanka. There the tamils were hindus. Did Indian guns discriminated against them or what.
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Are u the resident expert in democracy.. now which is a democracy.. the one pakistan is following. 
. And ur boasting of MMA. haan then people in India should elect the likes of Modi all over the states.. and make him the prime minister as well one day.
Look son, is there democracy in Iraq. No.. right why..its for the same case that in Kashmir there is less of a democracy. But its improving drasticaly. And like the rest of India it will also soon be a full fledged democracy.