Re: qadiani/ahmadi population in pakistan/globally
Mr Popat, your dad could have been killed for being a Murtid. :) your grandparents only stopped talking to him.
Re: qadiani/ahmadi population in pakistan/globally
^no bro it will be spamming cause we already have a thread here.
kindly shed some light on the Fazeelat of "Hazrat Teechi Teechi" the fastest angel of Mirza Sahab.
Re: qadiani/ahmadi population in pakistan/globally
Mr. Popat, you guys place a Very nice game :) You're not the first one to play this game. The truth is, it is your Promised Messiah who clearly said that those who do not follow him are kafirs. So, you're the one who think I'm the kafir :) Allah is the best judge.
i did not say YOU are NON-MUSLIM. i believe anyone who calls himself Muslim is Muslim.
i only said that Ahmadiyat beliefs are anti-Islam. :)
there is a big difference in above 2 statements.
Mr Popat, your dad could have been killed for being a Murtid. :) your grandparents only stopped talking to him.
You know he was saved because when he went back to grandparents he recited the same kalima which his parents were reciting. :)
ive seen your Islam. I'd rather stay away from that violent religion. :)
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and Mr Popat, if you say " i will continue to follow the footstep of Prophet Muhammad PBUH. The best of the best of prophets. SAW." then you can't be a follower of Mirza Sahab. b/c Mirza Sahab has clearly stated that he is equal if not superior to the Rutba of our beloved Prophet Hazrat Mohammad (saw) [nauzubillah].
So please, make up your mind :)
I encourage you again to erase the gray area and clarify the concepts....
Re: qadiani/ahmadi population in pakistan/globally
ok Mr popat i think u are too shy to shed light on Hazrat Teechi Teechi the fastest angel of Mirza Sahab,so i found this on an ahmedi website.and its for all those who want to know the name of angels of mirza sahab.
Teechi** Teechi:**
“On March 5, 1905 I dreamt of an angel. He told me that his name was Teechi Teechi”
[RIGHT](Haqiqat ul Wahee, P: 232)[/RIGHT]
Darshani:
“I saw an angel who was in the form of a twenty years old young man. He looked like a British and was sitting in a chair with a table in front. I said to him: “You are very beautiful”. He said: “Yes, my name is Darshani”
[RIGHT](Tazkira, P: 31)[/RIGHT]
Khairati:
“Three angels appeared. The name of one of them was Khairati”
[RIGHT](Taryaq ul Qulub, P: 192)[/RIGHT]
Mithan** Lal:**
“I dreamt of Mithan Lal, who once was an assistant in Batala, sitting on a chair and surrounded by his staff. I gave him a paper to sign it that was meant for a friend of mine. He signed it with hesitation. The Mithan Lal that I dreamt of was in fact, an angel”
[RIGHT](Tazkira, P: 515)[/RIGHT]
Sher** Ali:**
“In a revealed state I saw a man who seemed to me an angel, but while in dream I felt that his name was Sher Ali”
[RIGHT](Tazkira, P: 31)[/RIGHT]
Hafeez:
“In a dream, I met an angel who was in the form of a small boy. I asked him what his name was. He replied, “My name is Hafeez”
[RIGHT](Tazkira, P: 757)[/RIGHT]
A Kind Angel:
“In a state of revelation, an angel came to me and said, “People are deserting you”. I took him aside and said, “People are deserting me but will you too desert me?” He said, “We are with you”
[RIGHT](Anwar ul Islam. P: 52)[/RIGHT]
The Angels having sweet loaves of bread:
Doctor Syed Abdul Sattar Shah states that the Messiah e Maud (Promised Christ) has said, “Near this minaret two angels came before me who had two loaves of bread. They gave that bread to me and said, “One is for you and the other is for your disciples”
[RIGHT](Seerat e Mehdi, Part: 3, P:263 ***by Mirza Bashir Ahmad)*[/RIGHT]
Mr. Popat, you guys place a Very nice game :) You're not the first one to play this game. The truth is, it is your Promised Messiah who clearly said that those who do not follow him are kafirs. So, you're the one who think I'm the kafir :) Allah is the best judge.
i did not say YOU are NON-MUSLIM. i believe anyone who calls himself Muslim is Muslim.
i only said that Ahmadiyat beliefs are anti-Islam. :)
there is a big difference in above 2 statements.
call it a game or whatever, you guys contradict yourself quite a lot unintentionally i'd say. Frankly speaking, its not your fault either.. its whatever has been fed in ur mind which will not change.
I do not know of anyone who calls himself muslim and then says that his beliefs are anti-islamic. Either he is Muslim and practice islam or hes not muslim at all..
your statement isnt making much sense to me honestly... you're saying one can be anti-islamic and muslim at the same time? maybe you are just trying to defend your aalims?
you say you have not came across any one who became ahmadi.. im amazed how you have not.. because Ahmadiyyat is spreading in every corner of the world.. africa, china etc..
PS: im out.. have job..
May Allah bless u and make not only u but your aalims knowledgeable too and bring love of humanity in them. aamin.
PS2: did you know you can be declared non muslim for sayin to kill a human being, regardless of whichever religion hes following?:) anyhow.. enough for me for today:).. enjoy getting the population of ahmadis, if it may help you create an army against them to kill them all. Please just kill those who become ahmadis and leave those who are ahmadis by birth:).
peace
i'd remind you again, that the Ahmadiyat that current day khalifas/murabbis/common ahmadis even are portraying to be Ahmadiyyat is not the true Ahmadiyyat that Mirza Sahab introduced. they are trying to remove the anti-Islamic stuff from the public eye to show that Ahmadiyyat is completely in consonance with Islam. However, reality of Mirza Sahab's writings is something else.
Islam is not a violent religion. Islam is the religion of peace and equality. But yes, Islam is a True religion and what is Wrong is Wrong.
Re: qadiani/ahmadi population in pakistan/globally
Everyone is after the ultimate truth questioner_, this is out of the question. Whatever Ahmadis have been portraying thus far is the teaching of Promised Messiah (AS) which ofcourse is the teaching of Prophet Muhammad PBUH.
No questioner_, trust me.. your Islam is very very violent. A religion which allow to kill an innocent human being is not the follower of Muhammad pbuh's Islam. I say that before and ill say it again. I am Muslim by heart, i practice Islam. My Islam teaches me peace, equality and most of all love for the creation of Allah. My Islam teaches me to convey my message to disbelievers and its up to them to believe it or not. My duty is over.
questioner_, i'd lay my life for Islam. I can do anything for my religion. What i cannot do is take someone's life because Allah is our creator and he alone has the right to take away someone's lives. You kill one person, the whole of humanity will curse you. My prophet Muhammad PBUH will never forgive you. Learn now, as time is passing by.. peace is what you should promote, love for humanity is what your goal of life should be. Your amaal is what you'll be taking with you in front of Allah, dont let this arrogance stop you from entering heaven.
take it easy..
Re: qadiani/ahmadi population in pakistan/globally
Mr Popat,
you're saying one can be anti-islamic and muslim at the same time? maybe you are just trying to defend your aalims?
i am only saying that you are a Muslim if you say you are a Muslim. however, if you believe all that Mirza Sahab said, then those beliefs of yours are wrong and you are sinning by holding those beliefs. it still does not make you a non-Muslim. anyone who calls himself Muslim is Muslim.
it is an interesting point you've brought in this thread that if a non-ahmadi Muslim becomes an ahmadi and still calls himself Muslim, then how can he be a Murtid when he is still calling himself a Muslim. but i gave you the answer to that that he was on the Correct path and then he chose a distorted path - which makes him one who rejected belief for disbelief. however, surely, that is something that requires further checking whether he is still technically a Murtid as he is still calling himself Muslim. that is something i shall check and confirm even further :)
you say you have not came across any one who became ahmadi.. im amazed how you have not.. because Ahmadiyyat is spreading in every corner of the world.. africa, china etc..
it might be spreading but i have not seen any non-ahmadi Muslim become ahmadi personally.
p.s. I do not have any interest in gathering any army :) neither do most Muslims. I can only pray to Allah swt to enable you and other ahmadis to see the truth. wa salam.
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Mr Popat, in certain instances, we are allowed to take lives of another human being. :) Some punishments of Islam may sound very cruel but it is the Will of Allah and there is wisdom behind them which we cannot understand. We need to obey blindly. that is what Islam is. Submission to Allah's will.
love for humanity sure. but that does not mean acceptance of everything.
wa salam.
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^^we're allowed to take lives ? can u back up ur claim with quranic reference please?
and Mr Popat, if you say " i will continue to follow the footstep of Prophet Muhammad PBUH. The best of the best of prophets. SAW." then you can't be a follower of Mirza Sahab. b/c Mirza Sahab has clearly stated that he is equal if not superior to the Rutba of our beloved Prophet Hazrat Mohammad (saw) [nauzubillah].
So please, make up your mind :)
I encourage you again to erase the gray area and clarify the concepts....
can u quote where he staed he is equal to Hazrat Muhammad saw? thanks
any Muslim who becomes an ahmadi is a Murtid and command is to kill that person.
Ridiculous! whose command? are you Muslim or relative of some leader of Al-qaida?
Re: qadiani/ahmadi population in pakistan/globally
[nnote] sorry guys but Ahmadi topics are not allowed. They always tend to take a wrong turn.[/note]