Re: Puppet CJ Dogar’s Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
Ok fine Saleem we’ll have it your way. If Wikipedia is not acceptable to you, I hope you won’t use in future b/c I have seen you using it in your very long posts. In any case, how about NY Times? I know you would never accept Pakistani newspapers, but NY Times is a very respected American newspaper.
Are you saying he sought admission in Quetta colleges at age of around 30? While he joined the Bar in 1974 after completing his LLB, he was advocate of High Court in 1976 (more than 30 years ago).
Maybe he started practicing law before he got his law degree & also got fake birth certificate and caught unicorn too. Or maybe he got his law degree from online...oh wait there was no internet back then? That ex Cj is a clear son of gun :D
Naaaa!!!
NYtimes can go wrong, infact everything on this planet can quote wrong, but our Saleem can never say a lie niether he predicts anything wrong… it is all because he have blessings of Great Peer Altaf Hussain.
arey shamraz, didnt you know NY times is run by Nawaz Sharif too? :hehe:
I knew Gunja was up to no good. 
Brother, I do not know if you read my post, but I feel that if you read me, you read without thinking. :). Read what I wrote and think :).
Now, what you expected NT to write when he claims that he was born in Quetta? NT would only write what he officially claims. In 70s there was no birth certificates and official documents where place of birth is mentioned was either passport or Domicile certificates. We know that this ‘RAT’ Iftikhar can go to any length for selfish reasons. He can bribe, lie, misuse laws, and his office … what he did for his son too. So, if there are claims (right or wrong) that Iftikhar was born in Faisalabad, took Balochistan domicile to move up in his career on Balochistan quota, and later moved to Quetta once established there, is most likely true.
You may not like to believe that, but to me, knowing ‘RAT’ nature of iftikhar and that Iftikhar was a corrupt thug, I believe that what I wrote is true, as I trust my source from where I learned this, especially when I know people like him and the way things work in Pakistan, it does not look illogical to me. Actually, it is more illogical to me that Iftikhar family moved from Faisalabad to Quetta much before 1948 (for Iftikhar to be born in Quetta), when there was nothing for anyone in Quetta other than dry fruit merchants, military personals, government servants, etc. Imagine, who is settled in city of Punjab would move to Quetta during those days (probably before creation of Pakistan) for Iftikhar to born in Quetta. It seems quite unlikely and illogical to me, especially when Iftikhar claims that his family was of modest means.
Re: Puppet CJ Dogar’s Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
IHC summons examination record of Farah Hameed**
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Wednesday, December 03, 2008
By Faisal Kamal Pasha
ISLAMABAD: Chief Justice Islamabad High Court (IHC) Sardar Muhammad Aslam here on Monday directed the Federal Board of Intermediate & Secondary Education (FBISE), Islamabad, through its secretary to submit before the court the examination record in the case of Farah Hameed Dogar who was awarded an additional 21 marks.
The CJ issued these orders on the writ petition of President Tehreek Falah-e-Pakistan Muhammad Azam Khan Sultanpuri who prayed to the court to declare the marks awarded to Farah Hameed Dogar, daughter of Chief Justice of Pakistan Abdul Hameed Dogar, as being without lawful authority and of no legal effect.
As per details in this case the petitioner has contended before the court that according to the reports published in the newspapers the CJ’s daughter had been awarded 21 additional marks ignoring all the rules and regulations in this regard. It is therefore essential in the interest of justice to strike down marks awarded to the candidate, the petitioner also submitted in his writ petition before the court.
The petitioner has nominated FBISE, Islamabad through its Secretary, Chairperson and Commodore (R) Shamshad, ex Chairman FBISE as respondents in this case. The petitioner has further prayed to the court that the respondents and all other functionaries be restrained from interfering in the matter till the final disposal of the case while the relevant record be summoned and be ordered to be placed in sealed cover.
In the meanwhile Barrister Javed Iqbal Jafree has also filed a petition before the honourable IHC praying to strike down the marks additionally awarded to Farah Hameed Doagar. Jafree has also prayed to the court to ask the Federal Minister for Parliamentary Affairs Dr Babar Awan to refrain using doctor as a prefix to his name due to his fake doctorate degree.
Re: Puppet CJ Dogar’s Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
Extra marks termed illegal**
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By Muhammad Ahmad Noorani
ISLAMABAD: The Senate Standing Committee on Education on Tuesday took up the issue of extra marks given to the daughter of the chief justice of Pakistan and unanimously agreed that re-assessment of marks was not allowed under any law. But the committee witnessed an uproar when the PPP government intervened in its proceedings through a letter faxed from the office of the deputy attorney general saying that the matter was sub judice and could not be discussed by the committee.
Re: Puppet CJ Dogar's Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
^ kaali raam ka phat gaya dhol
Re: Puppet CJ Dogar's Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
i hope something could be done about this issue otherwise it would again make ppl like me feel that there is no justice in pakistan.
Don't worry, Great Zardari the President of Pakistan, will remove Chief Justice Dogar if he has done something wrong.
Re: Puppet CJ Dogar's Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
I am looking members are avoiding Ch Iftekhar.Not fair,He was more With 'Our Special Son' Not only numbers but jobs in same way.And don't forget Justice Munir and others.Who signed for Nazria-e-Zaroorat . And who hanged Bhutto and Malik Qayyoum who's tapes were printed and One who became once presedent but according to C.J.Sajjad Shah on live TV was a( famous brief case) buyer when Supreme Court was attacked.Iftekhar only fought when he was sacked but did well.The nation recognised him but it looks that games of corruption will soon see an end. A new Sopreme juditial Council is reauired.
Re: Puppet CJ Dogar's Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
^^ if u watch pakistani talk shows they keep on telling about iftikhar choudhary and his son, no one is defending him.
and he didn fight after getting sacked, remember steel mill case was way b4 his phuda with government, and that was teh main issue that caused everything
I am looking members are avoiding Ch Iftekhar.Not fair,He was more With 'Our Special Son' Not only numbers but jobs in same way.And don't forget Justice Munir and others.Who signed for Nazria-e-Zaroorat . And who hanged Bhutto and Malik Qayyoum who's tapes were printed and One who became once presedent but according to C.J.Sajjad Shah on live TV was a( famous brief case) buyer when Supreme Court was attacked.Iftekhar only fought when he was sacked but did well.The nation recognised him but it looks that games of corruption will soon see an end. A new Sopreme juditial Council is reauired.
SC 13 judges threw out the reference against CJ Iftikhar.
SC 13 judges threw out the reference against CJ Iftikhar.
On technical basis though. Reference and charges were never investigated and trial was not on the basis of charges filed in reference. Supreme Judicial counsel was the right forum for that reference but it never made it to counsel (except for initial day hearing if I remember it correctly)
Re: Puppet CJ Dogar's Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
^^ SJC basic requirement as in Constitution of Pakistan is its head will be CJ of SC of Pakistan. Since CJ himself was petitioner in this case , so **Constitutionally SJC body could not be formed **but since in 1997 Sajjad Ali Shah CJ case determined anything against CJ will be lisitened by a full bench of SC so thats why SC full bench listened the case and rejected all claims against CJ Iftikhar.
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Brother desert bird, I think that you and many others got misguided by Ganja Liar Nawaz, immoral Imran, habitual deceiver Atetaz, and his team of crook and corrupt supporters, who have been spreading lies throughout to fool innocent but ignorant Pakistanis. These people think (and probably correctly) that most Pakistanis have brain of pea size. :).
Actually, there is no such thing in Pakistani constitution that half bench, full bench, X bench or Y bench could exonerate a judge (or punish a judge). Neither there is anything in constitution that SJC has to have Chief Justice of Supreme court as part of SJC.
Well, as the wording goes, it seems that SJC consist of CJ plus 2 most senior judges of SC, plus 2 most senior CJ of high courts. But in reality, SJC consists of 3 most senior judges of SC, plus 2 most senior CJ of high courts. If anyone who should be part of SJC is to get investigated, than next senior most judge from similar court (Supreme Court or High Court) would take his place.
For instance, if any of the judges who are to be investigated than … if that judge is of SC, that includes CJ, as CJ is also a judge of SC, than next senior Judge of SC would take his place. If judge to be investigated is one of the two Chief Justices of high court than next senor most Chief Justice take his place.
It means that If Irtikhar was to get investigated than person who should take his place should have been three most senior judges of SC after Iftikhar.
SJC is an investigating body, and once they are given job of investigation, no authority should or could have stopped them from investigating. In Thug Iftikhar case, SC stopped the investigation of SJC and that is completely illegal, immoral and illogical. SJC as body is not only above Supreme Court but has authority to investigate all Judges, and that includes judges of SC, so it is ridiculous that judges of SC (or any court) could stop SJC from working. Not only that, but SJC consists of most senior judges of Pakistan from Supreme Courts as well as from High courts and stopping them from investigating should have been impossible in theory, still supporter corrupt Judges of corrupt Iftikhar did that, and surprisingly SJC accepted that, ignoring their duty to the nation.
Actually, investigating body anywhere in the world cannot be stopped by anyone from investigating, even people posted above them. If that would not have been the case, than all investigation would become joke. For instance, a policeman once on duty to investigate a senior officer, even IG, cannot be stopped by anyone, even IG. If anyone stops the investigation then it would be illegal.
Here is content of Pakistani constitution about SJC: In the clause, after definition of judges that would form SJC, clause 209-3 (a, b) is given for situation when one of the judges who could have been member of SJC is investigated. For instance, if the judge is of Supreme Court (that means CJ of SC, plus 2 next senior most judges of Supreme court) than next senior most judge takes his place. If Judge concerned is CJ of High court than next senior most CJ of high court would take his place.
Clause 209-3 of constitution: If at any time the Council is inquiring into the capacity or conduct of a Judge who is a member of the Council, or a member of the Council is absent or is unable to act due to illness or any other cause, then (a) if such member is a Judge of the Supreme Court, the Judge of the Supreme Court who is next in seniority below the Judges referred to in paragraph (b) of clause (2), and
(b) if such member is the Chief Justice of a High Court; the Chief Justice of another High Court who is next in seniority amongst the Chief Justices of the remaining High Courts, shall act as a member of the Council in his place.
Disgraced judge Iftikhar, deceiver Atetaz Ahsan, Immoral Imran, thugs of Nawaz Ganja party, and chaily/chamchay Lawyers used to lie to fool the people and use to create impression that SJC is incomplete with CJ. Unfortunately, Pakistani illiterate and ignorant public use to believe all lies from them because they were mentally incapables. Anyhow, here is proof from constitution confirming that Iftikhar and all his supporters were liars.
Even though every sensible person knows that CJ is holding office as designation, else he is judge of SC and thus clause 209-3 (a) should apply to him too. But for those who are mentally incapable and take time to understand, constitution itself made it clear for them. Here it is: Now let see what constitution says about judges of Supreme Court that make up the team in SJC:
Clause 209-2: The council shall consist of:
a: Chief Justice of Pakistan
b: The two next most senior judges of the Supreme Court.
In above clause 209-3 (b), word next most senior judges is used … so, question arises that, next most senior judges to who … who is that judge these two judges are next most senior? … Fact is that, from above it is clear that constitution is talking about 3 judges from SC, one is CJ and other two judges are 'next’ most senior judges after CJ … if CJ was not considered as Judge of SC than word ‘next’ would not have been there in clause 209-2 (b) just after clause 209-2 (a). Word ‘next’ in clause 209-2 (b) is there for anyone who thinks that CJ is not a judge of SC. Now, once it is determined that CJ is a judge of SC, let read clause 209-3 than clause 209-3 (a).
(3) If at any time the Council is inquiring into the capacity or conduct of a Judge who is a member of the Council, or a member of the Council is absent or is unable to act due to illness or any other cause, then
(a) if such member is a Judge of the Supreme Court, the Judge of the Supreme Court who is next in seniority below the Judges referred to in paragraph (b) of clause (2), and
So, from clause 209-3 (a), it is clear that if the judge concerned is of Supreme Court (CJ or next two SC judges after CJ), than the senior most judge of SC after those 2 who are in clause 209-2 (b) should take his place, that means 4th senior most Judge.
Here is wording of constitution:
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209 Supreme Judicial Council.
(1) There shall be a Supreme Judicial Council of Pakistan, in this Chapter referred to as the Council.
(2) The Council shall consist of,
(a) the Chief Justice of Pakistan;
(b) the two next most senior Judges of the Supreme Court; and
© the two most senior Chief Justices of High Courts.
Explanation:- For the purpose of this clause, the inter se seniority of the Chief Justices of the High Courts shall be determined with reference to their dates of appointment as Chief Justice [231] [otherwise than as acting Chief Justice], and in case the dates of such appointment are the same, with reference to their dates of appointment as Judges of any of the High Courts.
(3) If at any time the Council is inquiring into the capacity or conduct of a Judge who is a member of the Council, or a member of the Council is absent or is unable to act due to illness or any other cause, then
(a) if such member is a Judge of the Supreme Court, the Judge of the Supreme Court who is next in seniority below the Judges referred to in paragraph (b) of clause (2), and
(b) if such member is the Chief Justice of a High Court; the Chief Justice of another High Court who is next in seniority amongst the Chief Justices of the remaining High Courts, shall act as a member of the Council in his place.
(4) If, upon any matter inquired into by the Council, there is a difference of opinion amongst its members, the opinion of the majority shall prevail, and the report of the Council to the President shall be expressed in terms of the view of the majority.
(5) If, on information [231A] [from any source, the Council or] the President is of the opinion that a Judge of the Supreme Court or of a High Court,
(a) may be incapable of properly performing the duties of his office by reason of physical or mental incapacity; or
(b) may have been guilty of misconduct,
the President shall direct the Council to [231B] , or the Council may, on its own motion,] inquire into the matter.
(6) If, after inquiring into the matter, the Council reports to the President that it is of the opinion,
(a) that the Judge is incapable of performing the duties of his office or has been guilty of misconduct, and
(b) that he should be removed from office,
the President may remove the Judge from office.
(7) A Judge of the Supreme Court or of a High Court shall not be removed from office except as provided by this Article.
(8) The Council shall issue a code of conduct to be observed by Judges of the Supreme Court and of the High Courts.
Re: Puppet CJ Dogar's Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
^^ Long stories, no logic, based on what Saleem thinks or Know ( from unknown soruces)...