The Old Testament and Leviticus in particular is full of passages that are not observed by modern day Christians. Many believe that Christ brought a new convenant. They believe that God gave some commands to a specific people, never intending them to apply to all people everywhere and the Old Testament was for the ancient nation of Israel. After Christ and the enlightenment that he brought these laws filled their purpose. None of these issues were addressed by Jesus.
Here is a small list of 'laws' of the Old Testament that are no longer practiced by most Christians. There will many, many people put to death besides homosexuals if these were enforced.
Leviticus 20:12 - And if a man lie with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:9 - For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
Leviticus 20:10 - And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 20:11 - And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them
Leviticus 20:14 - And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
Leviticus 20:27 - A man also or a woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 21:14 - A widow, or one divorced, or a profane woman, a harlot, these shall he not take: but a virgin of his own people shall he take to wife.
Seminole : Christians today follow the Paulene doctrine. Christ(as) himself attested to the messages before him, i.e., the torah, but Paul came over and said that He was dead to the law and the law was dead unto him - ofcourse referring to the mesages of Jesus and Moses.
How, what or why current Christians practice what they do is not relevant. What is relevant is that they do not practice or advocate the killing of people for personal sexual or moral behavior. The barbarity of those punishments belong in an era of a less enlightened, educated and tolerant man. Even the most hateful, intolerant and self righteous far-right Christian does not advocate this kind of thing.
Hate and religion (spirituality) are totally opposite. One is the antithesis of the other. I don't care if you're a hindu, christian, jew, muslim, quaker, neo-pagan or wiccan.
Lesbian activist Camille Paglia offers the following observation:
Homosexuality is not “normal”. On the contrary it is a** challenge**to the norm…. Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction…. No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous…homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait….We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pausing at the prepubescent stage where children anxiously band together by gender….current gays can’t insist that homosexuality is ‘not a choice;’ that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise…(taken from islam-online)
MY ADVICE TO ** PRO HOMOS ** KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT!
IS “HOMOSEXUALITY” REALLY NORMAL HERE IS WHAT psychiatrists have to SAY: IS IT NORMAL?
IS THERE REALLY ANY “ALLEGED” SCIENTIFIC PROOF BEHIND “HOMOSEXUALITY”??? HOMOS’ SCIENTIFIC LIES
I RECOMEND ALL TO READ THESE ARTICLES AND PUT AN END TO THIS USELESS ARGUEMENT FOR ARGUEMENT IS WHAT DESTROYED MANY NATIONS BEFORE US
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*Originally posted by Anwaar Qureshi: *
it's upbringing of child that will decide that.. since it is a sickness I know it aint gonna happen unless i let him/her go in a perverted company. so my friend underthedoubt, feel sorry as u may but I am damn proud of what I believe for I believe in the scripture in which there is no doubt.
Zaalikal Kitabu La raiyeba feeh.
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There are more homosexuals in Arab world than probably anywhere else other than Africa. There was homosexuality in present day Saudi Arab before Islam, during the life of prophet and there still is. Islam apparenly has not made any difference. hate homosexuals as much as want but it won't change the reality which homosexuality actualy is,, a reality.
and why is it not important Seminole. You disregard the messages from Jesus(as), who was a prophet sent by Allah(swt) and adopt Paul's teachings who decided to disregard Jesus's teachings to please a king ?
and to top it off Paul was not even a prophet.
The punishments on the homosexuals was sent by Allah(swt) and as muslims we do not doubt any word in the Quran which is the word of Allah(swt). As muslims we hate what Allah(swt) hates and love what Allah(swt) loves.
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Then why animals have homsexuality. I suggest you should be the one doing the shutting up.
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hummm so DOES tht MEAN BEASTIALITY AND INCEST SHUOLD ALSO BE CONSIDERED "NORMAL"???? (subhanALLAH )......
lemme quote again:
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Lesbian activist Camille Paglia offers the following observation:Homosexuality is not “normal”. On the contrary it is a challengeto the norm
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WATS HAPPENING TO THIS WORLD I DUNNO "CONSIDERING SODOMY ACCEPTABLE??!! WAAAH
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There are more homosexuals in Arab world than probably anywhere else
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DUDE SHER I HATE TO AGREE WITH YOU (lol) BUT THIS STATEMENT IS PRETTY TRUE ALAS!!!!!!!!
DUDE SHER I HATE TO AGREE WITH YOU (lol) BUT THIS STATEMENT IS PRETTY TRUE ALAS!!!!!!!!
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HILAL, well,, you can hate to agree with me OR you can hate me if that makes you feel good..... BUT tell me one thing,, what kind of state of mind these people are in, who actualy think that gays should be executed for their sexual orientation. How about those, in their 40s, marring 9 year old child???????
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*Originally posted by zman: *
and why is it not important Seminole. You disregard the messages from Jesus(as), who was a prophet sent by Allah(swt) and adopt Paul's teachings who decided to disregard Jesus's teachings to please a king ?
and to top it off Paul was not even a prophet.
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There are many Christians who say Muslims are the ones who disregard the messages from Jesus when they abandoned his teachings of peace, tolerance and loving your neighbor by accepting a subsequent prophet that advocated certain types of violence.
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The punishments on the homosexuals was sent by Allah(swt) and as muslims we do not doubt any word in the Quran which is the word of Allah(swt). As muslims we hate what Allah(swt) hates and love what Allah(swt) loves.
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As far as I know, the punishments in the Quran for homosexuality were dispensed by God, please correct me if I'm wrong.
sher: death penalty is only prescribed for "male" homosexuals but not lesbians........
and why not...if there is no way to correct them giving punishment and setting an example is wat needs to be done so in future people abstain from such Perversion
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How about those, in their 40s, marring 9 year old child???????
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Hey how about those who rape 9 yr olds in your country and how about those countless child sex trafickers???? ....it is the liberalism and perversion of nature and a state of mind that blvs we need not fear God tht leads ppl to such actions....how can we stop such actions....if homosexuality is "normal" then wat bout "beastiality" and "incest" (astaghfirullah) r these practices normal?? if ppl were let lose like this then soon everyone would justify thier criminal actions by saying "oh its just normal"!
Stoning people doesn't deter homosexuality. And homosexuality si not equitable to child molestation. Even during the islamic caliphates, hmosexuality was pervasive. The apprentice system in all facets of life whether arts, trade, industry..all had homosexuality as part of the culture. Read Orhan Pamuk's "My name is Red"
Islam is wrong if it makes the leaps that homosexuality is a crime as is child molestation or rape. The laws prescribed are made for desert dwelling tribal clans not for management consultants.
so homosexuality is normal????....very intersting.....u can think tht way.....of course no evil can be COMPLETELY abandoned..but giving punishment does set an EXAMPLE and deter ppl who otherwise may hv carried out a certain criminal/deviant act........
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Lesbian activist Camille Paglia offers the following observation:
Homosexuality is not “normal”. On the contrary it is a challengeto the norm…. Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction…. No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous…homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait….We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pausing at the prepubescent stage where children anxiously band together by gender….current gays can’t insist that homosexuality is ‘not a choice;’ that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise.....(taken from islam-online)
MY ADVICE TO PRO HOMOS KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT!
IS "HOMOSEXUALITY" REALLY NORMAL HERE IS WHAT psychiatrists have to SAY:
IS IT NORMAL?
IS THERE REALLY ANY "ALLEGED" SCIENTIFIC PROOF BEHIND "HOMOSEXUALITY"??? HOMOS' SCIENTIFIC LIES
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hey read the stuff in quotation carefully and hv a look at the links IF U R BEING OBJECTIVE AND FAIR IN UR ARGUEMENT
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*Originally posted by HILAL K: *
sher: death penalty is only prescribed for "male" homosexuals but not lesbians........
and why not...if there is no way to correct them giving punishment and setting an example is wat needs to be done so in future people abstain from such Perversion
Hey how about those who rape 9 yr olds in your country and how about those countless child sex trafickers???? ....it is the liberalism and perversion of nature and a state of mind that blvs we need not fear God tht leads ppl to such actions....how can we stop such actions....if homosexuality is "normal" then wat bout "beastiality" and "incest" (astaghfirullah) r these practices normal?? if ppl were let lose like this then soon everyone would justify thier criminal actions by saying "oh its just normal"!
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Homosexuality should be treated as it is, a practice, which is harmless compare to hounor killing, and should be left to people to decide if it is good or bad. Why does it have to be considered a Crime? Again, if it is crime when done by Men and not a Crime when it comes to Women. why lesbians are an exception? Does it have something to do with slave concubines and Harams, Man's Fantasy umh. by the way you did not get when I mentioned men in their 40s marrying 9 year old child with legal justfications,, do you? We have laws against sexualy or other wise abusing children and people do get caught and punished. Do check what I meant by men marrying 9 year olds.
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
No Anwaar, I feel sorry for you. One day you might have a child and it might turn out the child is gay and all the love that you had given them will be turned into hate.
Who knew a religion of peace could also be a religion of hate?
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UTD do you believe in First Testament? Do you believe in other jewish scriptures? If you do you should know better than labelling Islam as a religion of hate.
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Stoning people doesn't deter homosexuality. And homosexuality si not equitable to child molestation. Even during the islamic caliphates, hmosexuality was pervasive. The apprentice system in all facets of life whether arts, trade, industry..all had homosexuality as part of the culture. Read Orhan Pamuk's "My name is Red"
Islam is wrong if it makes the leaps that homosexuality is a crime as is child molestation or rape. The laws prescribed are made for desert dwelling tribal clans not for management consultants.
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Matty, anything that is against nature is wrong...plain and simple.This is not what nature intended.... Sex is not supposed to be just fun and games, its vital function is procreation, homos and fags cannot do that, hence it is unnatural and wrong.
^ is it a crime, Kaleem? Is it a crime like murder, child molestation, etc? No one says one has to invite every homosexual over for a little bonding session watching the Fab 5, but it is a moronic leap to suggest that they should be killed because of their sexual preference. Whether the rationale is genetic or faith based
Please anyone can declare things unnatural in many ways.. tomorrow when china takes over the world, they can claim that it is unnatural for man to worship a single God, in fact it is a crime to do so because according to their mantra, abrahamic faiths are evil. Now, you tell me should the muslims or christians be allowed to worship in peace or should they mend their ways because a ruling power has declared them unnatural, hence criminals like child molestors and murderers.
You cannot dictate your morality and then legislate and criminalize things according to one religion. In today's world, it simply doesn;t work. The world is getting smaller, more knowledgeable, more interactive and thus more polyglotic. The reason such voices find supporters is because of homogenaity in the muslim lands. They are the most closed and oppressive societies, thus these silly notions take hold.
If I was a muslim and I believed in this draconian mandate and I lived in the west. I would either kill myself because I am not fulfilling Allah's mandate or move where I will not have to deal with the perverse dichotoy in my life. Easier said than done on the latter...
Matty, anything that is against nature is wrong...plain and simple.This is not what nature intended.... Sex is not supposed to be just fun and games, its vital function is procreation, homos and fags cannot do that, hence it is unnatural and wrong.
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So the only time you have sex is to procreate? I hope so because otherwise your argument really goes nowhere. And contrary to the popular belief being thrown around in these threads, homosexuality occurs in many animal species.
BTW the derogatory terms you use don't do much to further your argument. It only reinforces the idea that you claim piousness while not practicing it.