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^ Yes, clearly you know everything about me and my Islamic education.
And because you have read and unquestioningly believe people who lived long ago, you must be right.
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he talked with reference . can you prove him wrong ?
reference is key here.
Muslim attitude towards the sin of homosexuality
Actually I am GOd. God is within me… 
Everyone has their interpretations of god. According to me, God is a loving entity not a petulant child who is constantly angry. See how interpretations can be different.
As far as laws for non-muslims. Well I don;t need any messenger unless I am looking to send a package to my downtown office. AQ can believe what he wants, but he knows that there will not be a stoning of homosexuals in any part of the civilized world. Common sense works better in multicultural societies than supposed divine mandates.
And this thread is not about Islam alone. But about religion in general.
go live in paradsie of - well you know it better. bye
The more I read the more I believe that brother Pat Robertson has taken the message of these hadeeths to heart so those who believe in such things are in fine company.
I hope more speak up on this issue in this thread as I plan to share the views I learn here so that a better understanding of Islam can be had, obviously the views spoken here do not represent all Muslims but merely a small sample who choose to respond.
My follow up question is to those who believe Homosexuals should be murder is what are you doing to make sure this is occurring, are you following/pursuing the steps that make it to happen? Is it your duty to help move the process forward?
utd.
firstly the penalty for homosexuality is for those practicing it in public. secondly individuals cannot take upon themselves to administer punishments to whom they please, even if they are sure of it happening. for that you need a court of law and three witnesses.
You've got the perfect religion with the God, perfect prophet and perfect supporting texts. 1400 years after all this was revealed there is still no consensus on the perfect way to deal with homosexuals. You can say the reason is because the followers are not perfect. But with all other things being perfect, and this being the last and most perfect message from God, how many more centuries will it take to come up with the answer? When we have a caliphate and other like-minded individuals making the rules? What about the 50 or whatever % it is that doesn't believe the same? Are they just not as educated or enlightened as those who believe God wants us to throw people over cliffs for moral indescretions? These are things that have to do with an individual and how he personally deals with God. Not for the self righteous moral police with nothing else to do but judge others.
If the Quran is so perfect and Allah does not instruct you to kill gays, shouldn't you be a bit more discerning about which hadiths you take as his word when it comes to killing 5-10% of his people? Particurlarly since modern science has indicated that this is a genetic codition. And if this isn't his word you are following, but Muhammed's (assuming a 100% recall in a 1400 year-old game of he-said, she said), then you may want to re-think your position as you are not following Allah's word - but someone else's - and shirk is a very grave sin.
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utd.
firstly the penalty for homosexuality is for those practicing it in public. secondly individuals cannot take upon themselves to administer punishments to whom they please, even if they are sure of it happening. for that you need a court of law and three witnesses.
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in public or not. if they found guilty they will be punished by judge.
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in public or not. if they found guilty they will be punished by judge.
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you have to be fairly public to let three witnesses see you do it.
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you have to be fairly public to let three witnesses see you do it.
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when i said found guilty and sentenced by by judge. that includes the witness. no judge in the world can declare anyone guilty without proof and witnesses.
wait - what you mean in public ? commiting that sin or execution after found guilty?
Pathetic thread!!! Asking us whether they should be killed or not…Once a matter has been decided by the Prophet :saw: we have no say in it. Such is the condition of Muslims today who are making polls on whether something set by Islam (till the day of judgment) is right or not…
Mods and the makers of this poll need to do astaghfar!
Leviticus 20:13, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Love of Democracy 
don’t be surprised when there will be a poll soon about if it is compulsory to perform salah like Muhammad:saw: did or it can be done any other way since it’s not told in Quran but Hadith and ahaadeeth are often not authentic and it all depends on intentions
Rebel X, from my understanding the Church teaches its followers to "Hate the sin, not the sinner." It does not support the barbaric act of killing someone because of their homosexuality.
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Rebel X, from my understanding the Church teaches its followers to "Hate the sin, not the sinner." It does not support the barbaric act of killing someone because of their homosexuality.
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apparently there is a difference in what Church teaches and what is in the scriptures Church beleives in.
Once upon a time, usuary was forbidden in church too as was in scriptures but then they started hating the sin not the sinner. How can one hate himself:).
The people who run the church these days don't even hate the sin but they have been involved in it recently. :-)
The punishment is given clear cut in the Quran and hadeeth. If you can't stomach it then take it up with God. I am not saying that this is what occurs but that doesn't change the fact that according to the Shariat, this is what SHOULD happen.
moderators well done
This post got just the incitement to slate islam that was predicted. You should be more careful when people request votes like this they usally have a used and abused agenda that has been seen dozens of times.
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Rebel X, from my understanding the Church teaches its followers to "Hate the sin, not the sinner." It does not support the barbaric act of killing someone because of their homosexuality.
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this is actually a very nice saying if we get the message.
in depth, let suppose for instance if we really do start hating sin. will we do the same sin ? take time to answer.
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if we take the words as is, and hate sin and not the sinner. then who will be punishable ? sin or sinner ?
Isn't there another saying, 'Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone'? To judge someone based on their sexual orientation is abominable enough, but to go further and say that such individuals should be put to death is primitive and quite frankly evil.
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Isn't there another saying, 'Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone'? To judge someone based on their sexual orientation is abominable enough, but to go further and say that such individuals should be put to death is primitive and quite frankly evil.
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there is not rule about casting the first stone. every one who commit any type of sin will be executed on earth if caught other wise he will be punished on judgment day.
dear it may look from far an evil or whatever you call it. but when people see this execution in public with thier eyes. then no one will ever think of doing this sin again. that was the philosophy.