Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
It is like feeding milk to snake...
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
if this is indeed taliban's resource, why keep it alive and then blame the funding? here is an idea - shut it down. disband it.
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
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Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
For one, lets not kid ourselves by saying that we are beyond negotiations. We have never had sensible, meaningful negotiations to begin with. Both sides have been disinterested. Secondly, sadly, they are Pakistanis, like it or not. We created the monsters, and we need to help them find a way out as well. We cannot just create monsters one day, tell them to become terrorists, and then the next day ask them to assimilate back into normal life. Re-assimilation has to be orderly. And providing kids with necessary funds with proper guidelines for a proper education is part of that re-assimilation process.
ok. we basically have different approach to the problem but let me add that sometimes nations do reach to a point where they refuse to negotiate and have zero tolerance towards certain groups..because unless you do that, you will never develop national consensuses. and I thought that after Peshawar incidence where 130 msoom kids were slaughtered by these animals, we reached to that point.
but alas I was wrong. Imran khan became quiet under public pressure but he has not changed his stand and now he is trusting them again and even worst, funding them.big mistake if you ask me.
ch nisar has not changed either and still has soft corner for taliban
and pak army is against TTP but still sheltering afghan taliban.
so where is the hope? when will we have 100% consensus among public, politicians and army that all of these monsters are bad? no good taliban and bad taliban.
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
why do PTI fans need to support every step taken by IK and PTI?
trust me, if tomorrow IK announces to take the funding back, PTI fans will start supporting that decision as wel
This phenomena is not restricted to PTI... take PMLN supporters, take PPP supporters, all political parties supporters are same, they can't find anything wrong in their leadership/decisions.
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
This phenomena is not restricted to PTI... take PMLN supporters, take PPP supporters, all political parties supporters are same, they can't find anything wrong in their leadership/decisions.
yes agree with that. we are emotional people, i guess.
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
Where is the political alternative to defeat this ideology? PTI is not the solution to mullah/Islam brigade problem either.
IK too stupid to see the existential threat to Pakistan or at worst is part of the mindset that needs to be defeated and eliminated.
However, IK narrative is right on all other fronts e.g. Justice, eliminating corruption and miles apart from the normal Haraam khors of PMLn, PPP, MQM etc.
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
**Washington Post
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
90% of people in Pakistan are anti terrorism. Only handful of people are pro-terrorism. Chai wala paan wala fruit wala kapron wala jootay wala taxi wala they all are simple and innocent people carrying on th eir day to day business without hurting a soul. People are satisfied and content in minimal salary, excessive load shedding, sewage spilling blocked gutters. People still find happiness and peace. Every corner is filled with hustle bustle and chitchats of common people.
Every eye was shedding tears upon the martyrdom of a great legend.
Imran khan, by this action, will only lose his two seats that he won in last election. After his two failed marrages, this is just icing on the cake.
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90% of people in Pakistan are anti terrorism. Only handful of people are pro-terrorism. Chai wala paan wala fruit wala kapron wala jootay wala taxi wala they all are simple and innocent people carrying on th eir day to day business without hurting a soul. People are satisfied and content in minimal salary, excessive load shedding, sewage spilling blocked gutters. People still find happiness and peace. Every corner is filled with hustle bustle and chitchats of common people. Every eye was shedding tears upon the martyrdom of a great legend. .
I think thats an accurate analysis. I feel the same way when i visit there
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
90% of people in Pakistan are anti terrorism. Only handful of people are pro-terrorism. Chai wala paan wala fruit wala kapron wala jootay wala taxi wala they all are simple and innocent people carrying on th eir day to day business without hurting a soul. People are satisfied and content in minimal salary, excessive load shedding, sewage spilling blocked gutters. People still find happiness and peace. Every corner is filled with hustle bustle and chitchats of common people. Every eye was shedding tears upon the martyrdom of a great legend.
Imran khan, by this action, will only lose his two seats that he won in last election. After his two failed marrages, this is just icing on the cake.
spot on. what a great summary
*People are satisfied and content in minimal salary, excessive load shedding, sewage spilling blocked gutters. People still find happiness and peace. Every corner is filled with hustle bustle and chitchats of common people.
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Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
I am sad over Imran Khan Supporters , They faced big criticism on IK’s hundreds U-Turns but this is too much . Perhaps he has been forced by some quarter and he is ready to obey them in his lust of power and money .New joke from the Taliban Khan
Darul Uloom Haqqania agreed to reforms in return for Rs300m: Imran Khan
“They are ready for reforms as they trust PTI’s government”
Darul Uloom Haqqania agreed to reforms in return for Rs300m: Imran Khan - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
Wat reforms. They will stop creating brainless monsters who can kill any one having a different opinion...
Ik wants to grab and panetrate religious type votes Countering fazur rahman by another molana.
There is no more option of negotiations with ttp. They killed col. Imam. Their godfather. They consider pak army as napak army. Further they r tribal ppl. Once a enemy. Forever enemy.
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
Biggest problem with PTI is that it is totally pivoted on IK, intellectually and otherwise and unfortunately IK has no brains whatsoever.
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
It was just beginning .
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
First Imran was very quiet about giving $30m to that khariji den. But after he started getting battering from all sides, he has now come up with the statement that Haqqania bigots are ready for reform.
Darul Uloom Haqqania ready for reform, trusts PTI: Imran Khan
Of course, he falls short of exactly WHAT was asked by PTI in the form of reforms before handing them over huge sum of tax payers’ money, which was cut from minority funds.
Radicalism, extremism, and violence is rooted in that religious cult followed by Taliban khawarij. Not doing it is like giving up their religion. These religious freaks can not be expected to do that. They can not be reasoned to stop spreading of hatred against anyone disagreeing with them. It is the very basis of their religion.
But Naive Khan TRUSTS them and goes ahead with handing them over millions of dollars.
May God save us from Imran’s PTI.
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
We cannot just create monsters one day, tell them to become terrorists, and then the next day ask them to assimilate back into normal life.
So meanwhile you PTIans are OK with those beasts massacring Pakistanis from all walks of life in thousands?!
We need to ask them to "assimilate back into normal life" RIGHT NOW. Giving them any time is CRIMINAL in my eyes. For God's sake, they are KILLING people. They CAN'T be given any room, regardless of why the Pious Idiots in 90s Pak army/govt created this monster.
There has been so much destruction, massacres of tens of thousands of innocent women/children/men. But still if there are some political forces who want to "negotiate" with the Evil responsible for it, and want to shamelessly give them money and room to continue their Evil assault on us; then in such a case it is the responsibility of the Defenders of the Country to STOP these political forces.
I think the federal government and the army should get involved in this very serious matter of terrorist funding by PTI. Cases should be made against Imran and his cronies for this crime, just like there are cases against Dr. Asim for supporting the terrorists.
The Defenders of Pakistan should not allow anyone to feed these snakes at any cost. This madness of Imran MUST come to end.
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However, IK narrative is right on all other fronts e.g. Justice, eliminating corruption and miles apart from the normal Haraam khors of PMLn, PPP, MQM etc.
On all those fronts, even Taliban/Daesh/Qaeda narrative is also right. But that does not mean that we hand over the country to them.
Look at the complete baggage that PTI/Taliban/Daesh/Qaeda bring in. Talking against corruption is great but that is not enough to hand over the country's reins.
Re: PTI gives Rs 300m to Taliban madressah Darul Uloom Haqqania
Nice article on PTI’s “Mainstreaming the Taliban”. Long Read, but worth the time.
Mainstreaming the Taliban? | Opinion | thenews.com.pk
**By **Babar SattarJune 25, 2016
On Wednesday Amjad Sabri was assassinated on the streets of Karachi in cold blood. The Hakeemullah Mehsud group of the TTP reportedly claimed ‘credit’. Sabri’s stirring voice helped many recognise the strength of their bond with the Creator. But the TTP and their ilk thought he was a bad Muslim for he sang qawwalis. The day Imran Khan condoled the death of Sabri, he also defended Khyber Pakhtunkhwa’s Rs300 million grant to the seminary run by Maulana Samiul Haq.
The tragedy for Pakistan is that it is stuck in a quagmire, forced to choose between bad options. Imran Khan, urban Pakistan’s great hope since 2011 as an alternative to the horrid status quo, seems plain wrong on the existential issue of our times: the threat of religious extremism and militancy, its causes and solutions. A decade back, his approach to tribal militancy seemed misconceived. The year 2013 onward, when he forced a consensus in favour of peace talks with the TTP, it seemed dangerous. Today, post-APS and Zarb-e-Azb it seems bigoted.
IK has long projected a romanticised view of tribal militants, disconnected from the history of Afghan jihad and radicalisation of militants by the jihadi factories we set up in our country. To simplify, his explanation for the existence of snake pits in our backyard is that we ordered the army into the tribal areas on behalf of the US, and that peace-loving folk mutated into vermin overnight when they saw the army within their fold and started killing citizens and soldiers alike because the US droned our peace agreements with them.
When a drone killed former TTP chief Hakeemullah Mehsud, IK called it a defining moment in our history that required us as a nation to pick sides. He stated in parliament in 2013 in his speech mourning Hakeemullah’s death that, “we sent the army into Waziristan at the behest of the US. We sent them in there for dollars”. He threatened to blockade supply lines to Nato forces in Afghanistan for sabotaging our peace efforts with TTP by killing Hakeemullah.
In 2013, IK led the move to build a political consensus to engage in peace talks with the TTP. He succeeded in doing so, one of his rare multi-partisan victories, when an APC in 2013 backed his appeal to talk peace with ‘our misguided brethren’ as a way for the security of Pakistanis whom the TTP was terrorising and killing. In 2014 our friend Cyril Almeida wrote that IK, also labelled Taliban Khan, was the man who sold Pakistan, for he mainstreamed extremism. The PTI’s soul-searching response was to serve him with a defamation notice.
In February 2014, TTP spokesman Shahidullah Shahid named five interlocutors authorised to negotiate with the Pakistani government on behalf of the TTP. They included, amongst others, Maulana Samiul Haq of Darul Uloom Haqqania and IK. IK politely declined the role while continuing with his mission to support peace talks with the TTP et al as head of Pakistan’s second largest party.
IK asked those who wanted the state to forcefully establish its writ across the country, including Fata, whether launching a military operation in Waziristan would solve all of Pakistan’s problems. He further questioned the advocates of such operation whether they had considered what conditions might the TTP impose on the rest of Pakistan if such military operation failed (while imploring Pakistanis to show grit and character and stand up to the US).
In the midst of the peace talks in February 2014 (advocated by IK and backed by the PML-N and even our ‘liberal’ political parties) the TTP killed 23 kidnapped Pakistani soldiers. Terror attacks continued while our political leadership celebrated its ‘consensus’ to talk peace with terrorists. Finally, when the TTP claimed the attack on Karachi airport in June 2014, calling it a means to avenge Hakeemullah’s death, the army (notwithstanding its past role in the creation of our snake pits) decided that it had had enough and launched Operation Zarb-e-Azb.
Six months later, APS happened. That seemed to be a turning point in our national consciousness. Post-APS, the sharp tongues of IK and others – calling a kinetic war against terrorism in Pakistan a US war not ours – fell silent. There seemed to have emerged a new national consensus and resolve to fight and wipe out the terrorists amongst us. This consensus was built by the military, which seemed more attuned to public sentiment than our lets-talk-peace-with-terrorists politicos, who quickly fell in line.
There were worrying early signs that APS had not really cured those propagating deal-making with terrorists, but overwhelming public anger had only forced them into tactical retreat. For example, after meeting members of the APS Shuhada Forum in July 2015 IK reiterated his support for peace talks with the TTP, arguing that if it was ok for the US to talk peace with the Afghan Taliban it was ok for us to do so with our Taliban. This was only six months after the TTP butchered 141 Pakistani in APS, including 132 schoolchildren.
Should we be surprised that the KP government wishes to give Rs300 million of taxpayers’ hard-earned money to Maulana Samiul Haq’s privately-owned and controlled Darul Uloom Haqqania? The decorated alums of this ‘seat of learning’ include, amongst others, Jalaluddin Haqqani of the Haqqani Network and Mullah Akhtar Mansour, the recently fallen Taliban chief. It prides in having conferred an honorary ‘doctorate’ on (Dr?) Mullah Mohammad Omar.
Maulana Samiul Haq has been conferred with many affectionate titles. The one relevant for present purposes is ‘father of the Taliban’. He supports a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan as the elixir to our neighbour’s problems. He mediated between rival Taliban factions after the death of Mullah Omar and threw his weight behind Mullah Mansour.
**IK and the KP government spokesperson have defended the Rs300 million grant as an effort to ‘mainstream’ the products of this so-called ‘University of Jihad’. How this grant for reconstruction and expansion of a private madressah supporting the Taliban, TTP and the jihadi enterprise generally mainstream its students, or madressah students in general, we have not been told.
****Is it part of a broader scheme to regulate the syllabus, teaching methodology, faculty or student body of madressahs, starting with Haqqania? Are there any declared criteria pursuant to which Haqqania qualified for this grant and not other madressahs? Has the KP government discharged its constitutional obligation under Article 25A to afford free education to all school-going children in the province and is thus lavishing grants on private ‘educational’ institutions as the best use of available excessive cash?
**What is wrong with us as a nation that as soon as we get something going, we begin to lose interest? The 20-point National Action Plan contrived post-APS included the decision to register and regulate religious seminaries, bring to an end religious extremism and ensure protection of minorities. Only a year and half after APS, which finally slapped us out of our complacency, we are not just in snooze mode but regressing.
The Rangers seem interested in fighting terror and corruption in equal part. Pemra views itself as the new guardian of morality and religion, banning individuals for asking if the state should have a role deciding on people’s religion. Maulvis are back in the business of issuing fatwas on who should live and who shouldn’t. IK wants to mainstream products of the ‘University of Jihad’ under the able guidance of the ‘father of the Taliban’.
The strongest justification for the PTI’s grant to Haqqania has been that it isn’t ideological, it’s just politics. That isn’t something new but a brew of the same toxic mix of religion and politics that we have sipped on since the 80s.
Pakistan is adrift. But the jury is out on who is the more worthy successor of Zia’s Pakistan, Nawaz Sharif or Imran Khan. Sorry Amjad Bhai. Business is business and a cup of tea is a cup of tea*.
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